Christian Symbols

Palatka44 · Sep 2, 2003

Among all the symbols of Christianity the Cross is now under attack by a christian entity (American Clergy Leadership Conference).

Should the Cross be banished from our Churches as Hezekiah had destroyed the brasen serpent?

Does the cross hold a deeper meaning than the brasen serpent?

ZiSunka · Sep 2, 2003

Seesh. The cross is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. It is a symbol of freedom, not an idol.

I swear, if they get rid of the cross but keep the flag in their churches, I'm gonna scream.

Palatka44 · Sep 2, 2003

lambslove said:
Seesh. The cross is a symbol of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. It is a symbol of freedom, not an idol.

I swear, if they get rid of the cross but keep the flag in their churches, I'm gonna scream.

I'm like you the cross is the place where Christ put my sins. It is where I was given life. It is where God died that we might have attonement. To remove it what will it be replaced with a <>< ? Not that that is a bad symbol I have one on the back of our family van. It just doesn't say it all like the cross does. Why I even glory in it.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
AMEN!

Philip · Sep 2, 2003

Palatka44 said:
Among all the symbols of Christianity the Cross is now under attack by a christian entity (American Clergy Leadership Conference).

Given the ACLC's association with the Unification Church, I am hesitent to call it fully Christian.

Serapha · Sep 2, 2003

Palatka44 said:
Among all the symbols of Christianity the Cross is now under attack by a christian entity (American Clergy Leadership Conference).

Should the Cross be banished from our Churches as Hezekiah had destroyed the brasen serpent?

Does the cross hold a deeper meaning than the brasen serpent?

Hey!

A Christian entity????

by what definition? Just because they say so????

ACLC was founded by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon....

"As soon as a person believes in Jesus, Satan can invade his body" (December 25, 1974)

"I have talked with many Masters, including Jesus... They have subjected themselves to me in terms of wisdom.... (April 1965)

A Christian entity????

I don't think so.

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http://www.daily-blessings.com/cross.htm

~malaka~

Raterus · Sep 3, 2003

I am all for the "empty" cross.

The catholics love putting Jesus on that cross being crucified, and while his death is always a good reminder, that wasn't the end of it, since he rose.

-Michael

ZiSunka · Sep 3, 2003

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1Corinthians 1:18

Wolseley · Sep 3, 2003

Raterus said:
I am all for the "empty" cross.

The catholics love putting Jesus on that cross being crucified, and while his death is always a good reminder, that wasn't the end of it, since he rose.

-Michael

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Peter · Sep 4, 2003

"We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews" I Cor. 1:23

Blindfaith · Sep 5, 2003

For me to see the cross is bittersweet. Literally.

I'm filled with absolute joy and gratefullness because if Christ hadn't died on the cross, I'd enjoy an eternity of being an extra-crispy human. But at the same time I see it and am so greatly saddened, because of the absolute pain He had to go through for me and for you....................

It doesn't matter to me if they take the cross down at a particular church - His sacrifice will NEVER be forgotten by me or my children...............

Neeter · Sep 12, 2003

Palatka44 said:
I'm like you the cross is the place where Christ put my sins. It is where I was given life. It is where God died that we might have attonement. To remove it what will it be replaced with a <>< ? Not that that is a bad symbol I have one on the back of our family van. It just doesn't say it all like the cross does. Why I even glory in it. QUOTE]

I have a cross on the back of my car, everyone knows what the cross stands for.. Before I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior, I didn't know what the fish symbol meant. So, I thought a lot of other people don't know what it means either that's why I wanted the cross.

Love in Christ,
Nita

~Wisdom Seeker~ · Sep 12, 2003

I have always favored the dove, which is a representation of the transcendent Holy Spirit myself. But the cross is far too ingrained in Christianity to be eliminated by anyone. That is my belief...as long as there is Christianity, the cross will be it's symbol.

BarbB · Sep 13, 2003

Wisdom Seeker said:
I have always favored the dove, which is a representation of the transcendent Holy Spirit myself. But the cross is far too ingrained in Christianity to be eliminated by anyone. That is my belief...as long as there is Christianity, the cross will be it's symbol.

Guess how dumb I am? I've been a nominal Christian my whole life, born-again for less than 3 years and learned LAST WEEK that the dove symbolizes the Holy Spirit, not Peace. Whew - where have I been?

Interesting about the fish symbol - I used my fish to announce to my friends, Christian, atheist, agnostic, lazy, whatever, that I had become a committed Christian. I think they know what I meant. I like the idea of a cross, though!

Palatka44 · Sep 13, 2003

newlamb said:
Guess how dumb I am? I've been a nominal Christian my whole life, born-again for less than 3 years and learned LAST WEEK that the dove symbolizes the Holy Spirit, not Peace. Whew - where have I been?

Interesting about the fish symbol - I used my fish to announce to my friends, Christian, atheist, agnostic, lazy, whatever, that I had become a committed Christian. I think they know what I meant. I like the idea of a cross, though!

It has occured to me that we see too many uses of these symbols in the form of cheap costume jewlry. Just about everyone is wearing some type of Christian "trinket". Some of it is hung arround the neck, worn as an ear ring or is even tatooed to any ole part of the human body.
While I am not in favor of ever removing any symbol that reminds us of what Christ has done for us, I am not in favor of any symbol being used as a "talisman" for it seems to me that many only wear it for "good luck".
Anyone have a nice lapel pin or tie clasp that I can wear to church service tomorrow?

BarbB · Sep 13, 2003

In Israel last December I got a messianic symbol , like sonworshipper uses as his avatar! I wear it on a chain with my cross and the two never leave my neck.

I know what you mean by fashion symbol! Madonna? Come on - luckily they will dump it as quickly as they picked it up.

~Wisdom Seeker~ · Sep 13, 2003

I used to wear a small gold cross necklace. But after having a discussion about it on another Christian board...they brought up the second commandment and how crosses could be grouped in that "thou shalt not"...so I haven't worn it a lot lately.

I'm not saying that that's what it says. But, I had enough doubt to leave it out...so to speak.

Philip · Sep 13, 2003

Wisdom Seeker said:
I used to wear a small gold cross necklace. But after having a discussion about it on another Christian board...they brought up the second commandment and how crosses could be grouped in that "thou shalt not"...

Any photograph could be as well....

~Wisdom Seeker~ · Sep 15, 2003

Philip said:
Any photograph could be as well....

I know. That was part of the argument too. I guess it depends on how fanatically you want to interpret anything.

ten-k · Sep 15, 2003

a beam
a cross
i know,
lets walk the walk

Palatka44 · Sep 15, 2003

ten-k said:
a beam
a cross
i know,
lets walk the walk

Awesome post ten-k. It's not what's on the outside but what's on the inside that counts.
Personaly though, I am conserned that folks like Madonna et al are sending a very confusing message to a world that needs Christ. While she wears the cross one must assume that she is making a statement that she can do any immoral deed there is and display it to the world while shameing the Church.
People really do look at our walk. It is a heavy burden to bear as we carry our cross while others that openly wear it continue to not walk accordingly.

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