Yes, those dates are from history and therefore it is.....a historical way of life.
Well hey, in that case if Obama is elected it's a good thing the vast majority of people's taxes will be going down.
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Yes, those dates are from history and therefore it is.....a historical way of life.You do realize that the first income tax, as it were, wasn't instituted until 1862, but was repealed in 1872, and that the national income tax didn't become permanent until 1913?
Well hey, in that case if Obama is elected it's a good thing the vast majority of people's taxes will be going down.I don't think it's any mystery why most Americans have a "knee jerk" reaction when it comes to hearing that their taxes are going to go up.
Government itself is socialism. It is forced with violence, funded with extortion onto for the purpose of satisfying someones opinion regarding "what is best".
To be fair, with that logic we can also say that genocide has occurred during 'this time' and 'that time' which would also make genocide a "historical way of life".Yes, those dates are from history and therefore it is.....a historical way of life.
Yes, those dates are from history and therefore it is.....a historical way of life. Well hey, in that case if Obama is elected it's a good thing the vast majority of people's taxes will be going down.
When compared with current law, people earning $20,000-$50,000 a year will see their effective tax rates -- the amount of money the taxpayer actually ends up paying the government -- increase on average under Obamas plan, according to Tax Policy Center figures.
Most households making $30,000-$75,000 will not see a reduction in their taxes under Obamas plan relative to current law, according to the Center. In fact, the only strata that will see a majority of its effective tax burden reduced under Obama are those making less than $30,000 per year and those making $75,000-$200,000 per year.
It's called standard taxation. Not only a historical America way of life, but something Jesus said to pay as well. Matthew 17:24-27
Matthew 19:24
24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
As we all know, McCain/Palin and their supporters have accused Obama of being a "socialist". Given the fact that the U.S. has a mixed economy with a number of socialist features in place for many decades, I think it would be more accurate to say that Obama is just MORE inclined toward socialist-type solutions than McCain. Personally, I do not think this is a bad thing, because in my own political philosophy, I am in fact a socialist; specifically, a Christian Socialist. This means that I believe that a society inspired by the precepts of Jesus Christ should be organized along lines that are currently labeled "socialist".
I came to this position after struggling with the above Bible quote for a long time, because it stumped me, just as it shocked Jesus' disciples when he said it. "Who then can be saved?!"
According to a socialist perspective, the wealth of a society is generated by the members of that society working as a whole, not by particular individuals. Of course, some people are more talented, smarter, harder-working than others. In a sense, they contribute more, and fairness would indicate that they should therefore earn more. However, even the highest-functioning human being does not actually CREATE wealth; since wealth can only be accumulated by the cooperation of all of the members of society working together in harmony, with the raw materials CREATED BY GOD. In reality, we human beings create nothing. We are stewards of what God has created. No person is so superior and above the average that he has actually EARNED great wealth through his own honest effort. In fact, all of the money that a person "makes" that is over and above his needs, has actually been stolen from others through exploiting the rules by which a particular society apportions it's wealth. Either that, or it was inherited from someone who stole it.
Also, since humanity is divided into a number of separate nations, the members of one society can all become richer by the expedient of stealing the resources of other societies. The spoils are then divided according to the rules by which that society apportions wealth, with a higher proportion naturally flowing into the coffers of those who are already rich.
And for me, this insight solves the mystery as to why Jesus said it is next to impossible for a rich man to gain entrance to the Kingdom Of Heaven. Since their wealth has ultimately been stolen from others, rich people are therefore all guilty of violating the 8th Commandment: "Thou Shall Not Steal".
His tax plan.
His refusal to privatize social security.
His new spending endeavors.
This is a red herring. Since representational Democracy was virtually nonexistent in the 1st century we cannot expect to find statements from Jesus that apply directly to our system of government; or nuclear weapons, global warming, or the ethical use of the internet for that matter. It rests on us to apply Jesus' principles and example to our contemporary situation to the best of our ability. In different degrees, at all times and in all human societies to date, there has always been a correlation between the rich, and the rulers, because those who have the most money also tend to have the most political power. Our representational Democracy modifies this to a certain extent because many government officials have to run for election by popular vote. When Jesus told the rich man "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." This was analogous to Jesus telling the government today to redistribute wealth, since the person he was talking to was, by virtue of his wealth, a representative of the ruling segment of society at that time.That seems to have gone unanswered, for some reason. I would have asked for NT verse in which Christ advocates for the Government to redistribute wealth.
The Eye of the Needle is a actual thing and some, but not all camels could get through it, therefore you communist rhetoric of saying all to hell with rich people is false.
Anyways, the Needles eye, was a small passage way that you could get a camel through kneeling with no baggage, it was a passage way into Jerusalem during the night.
Please bring up the story about the farmers in the workers, I love disproving that one. Its really fun =).
Since you don't seem to have noticed that I already addressed this issue, here it is again:The Eye of the Needle is a actual thing and some, but not all camels could get through it, therefore you communist rhetoric of saying all to hell with rich people is false.
Anyways, the Needles eye, was a small passage way that you could get a camel through kneeling with no baggage, it was a passage way into Jerusalem during the night.
Please bring up the story about the farmers in the workers, I love disproving that one. Its really fun =).
Uh . . . problems I have with this man-made interpretation:In different degrees, at all times and in all human societies to date, there has always been a correlation between the rich, and the rulers, because those who have the most money also tend to have the most political power. Our representational Democracy modifies this to a certain extent because many government officials have to run for election by popular vote. When Jesus told the rich man "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." This was analogous to Jesus telling the government today to redistribute wealth, since the person he was talking to was, by virtue of his wealth, a representative of the ruling segment of society at that time.
They're not the same. That $250,000 a year line in the sand for businesses as well as people (as well as what amounts to a $150,000 marriage penalty) was not there before.Well, we've already gone over the tax plan. It's essentially putting taxes back to what they were prior to the "temporary" Bush tax cuts. Those rates were not considered "socialist" back during the days of Reagan/Bush (I)/Clinton. Why ought we to consider them "socialist" now?
First of all, Social Security is on a crumbling foundation. The ratio of workers to retirees has dwindled from over 159.4:1 to 3.3:1, and that number is expected to go down even further in the coming years. Longer lifespans, more benefits, and abortion have all helped to pare down this ratio.Privatizing social security? Good luck with that one...lol...especially after the recent stock market issues. I doubt there's a one of them that would dare even suggest that right now (and for good reason).
There's a lot in that $800 billion, and I haven't bothered to go through that in detail because I'm sure we don't need any of it. The way the government has been spending money over the last 8 years, we don't need to spend one additional penny. But I'm sure that health care is going to be a significant chunk - we spend more on Medicare and Medicaid put together right now than we do on the military (minus veteran's benefits).Which spending endeavors, apart from Healthcare?
Please note that I am not advocating a system in which "the government" solves all of our problems by dictating solutions from above. From a socialist perspective, the government is a function of society, not the other way 'round. And what is society but the aggregate of all of us who are presently here living on this earth.
Emphasis mine.This is a red herring. Since representational Democracy was virtually nonexistent in the 1st century we cannot expect to find statements from Jesus that apply directly to our system of government; or nuclear weapons, global warming, or the ethical use of the internet for that matter.
It rests on us to apply Jesus' principles and example to our contemporary situation to the best of our ability.
When Jesus told the rich man "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." This was analogous to Jesus telling the government today to redistribute wealth, since the person he was talking to was, by virtue of his wealth, a representative of the ruling segment of society at that time.
Please note that I am not advocating a system in which "the government" solves all of our problems by dictating solutions from above. From a socialist perspective, the government is a function of society, not the other way 'round. And what is society but the aggregate of all of us who are presently here living on this earth.
Interesting....Jesus said pay taxes if you owe taxes, He didn't say to create a welfare state.
I'm going to go ahead and take exception with the statement lamenting the "death of rugged individualism and self-reliance". I absolutely hate these two facts of living in the Western world, because it lets people scapegoat victims of social injustice for not working hard enough or something equally appalling.
These views are totally anomic, and do nothing but divide community up into little family cells that are only interested in looking out for their clan. I find it laughable that anyone would claim to be a Christian or follower of Christ, and espouse views which are as destructive as these ones.
/rant
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