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Hebrews 13:4

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Mark 10:6-9

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
 

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Hebrews 13:4

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Mark 10:6-9

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Well then I am screwed by that logic since I sowed many a field of oats in my younger days and then hoped for many a crop failure.
 
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Hebrews 13:4

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Mark 10:6-9

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, [/quote]Brilliant! But why then did God create divorce?

and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
How do two separate phenotypes become one? Is this a referrence to skin grafting or some sort of Frankenstein creation? Please explain.
 
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"Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

I´ve always had problems with this concept. Just how do you know?

I have been present at a couple of marriage ceremonies: religious ones, secular ones, atheistic ones. I have read and heard about and in one case witnessed arranged marriages. Just today I read in the newspaper about a forced marriage, where the bride got away and accused her bridegroom of rape. I have seen marriages that were so mismatched that you could not but feel sorry for these poor two people, living unhappily in their forced entanglement.

Which of these marriages are "joined together by God"? Which aren´t? God was invoked in quite a number of them... but all the action was done by humans.

So if a state - humans - CAN indeed say: "This is not marriage. You are not married. You might have thought for a year that you were, but you were wrong.", what other kinds of "false marriages" might they "seperate"?

Could a state decide: "Well, the secular marriage is not done by God, so it is not valid. All the couples that did not marry in church are no longer considered married."?

Where is God in all that?
 
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Great scripture but what is the focus of your OP? What point are you trying to make. God bless.

Hebrews 13:4

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Mark 10:6-9

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
 
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Marriage is the way that we make families and the family is one of the cornerstones in society as the children are the charge of the parent.

Did you know that every adult at one time was actually a child? Even crotchety old men used to be children dependent on their parents not only for basic necessities of life but also moral guidance!

The family is sacred and it should be established around the cornerstone of morals and upright living.

Those who come from bad families have it exponentially worse than those who come from good. They have no guidance.

Mother and father are the first and most significant influences in the lives of a child.
 
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Marriage is the way that we make families and the family is one of the cornerstones in society as the children are the charge of the parent.

Did you know that every adult at one time was actually a child? Even crotchety old men used to be children dependent on their parents not only for basic necessities of life but also moral guidance!

The family is sacred and it should be established around the cornerstone of morals and upright living.

Those who come from bad families have it exponentially worse than those who come from good. They have no guidance.

Mother and father are the first and most significant influences in the lives of a child.
Preach this. Write about this. Endorse this. Just stop trying to legislate it.
 
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If you're so worried about Godly marriages and Godly children then where's the call to make all marriages between non-Christians illegal? Or are you just going to ignore all the parts of those verses except "Male and female" including the part that mentions God?

I don't know of any atheists who have Godly marriages and teach their children Godly values, since they have no belief in God. Why do they get to marry and have babies?

Oh, oh, wait! It's okay for them since they're having babies, right? Oh, okay. So what about those who don't want kids? Oh, right, they might change their minds. Okay. What about those who doctors have declared infertile? Oh, God might grant them a miracle. Okay, they get to marry too. So, uh... what about an athiest couple in which the woman has had a complete hysterectomy due to cancer? Hmm? What, can God grant a miracle baby to the woman without so much as even an egg to fertilize? What now? Why do they get to marry? No God, and no children. It's against what the Bible says.

I want an answer to this already. Lord knows we've been asking it of the anti-gay marriage folks for long enough.
 
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Those who come from bad families have it exponentially worse than those who come from good. They have no guidance.

That's funny, because then you say . . .

Mother and father are the first and most significant influences in the lives of a child.
My uncle left my aunt while she had cancer and two kids for a high-schooler; and their marriage was sanctified? And when my other aunt spends more time with certified losers instead of taking her children to school, her fleet marriages are sanctified too? Gee, these heterosexual marriages must be sublime. They seem so happy and divorce free, preaching their ideals of perfect marriage on account of having children while ignoring the subtleties of relationships. I suppose the ensuing divorce and nearly criminal marriage were also sanctified. Like the ability of our Roman progenitors to sell their offspring into slavery on a whim or kill them for insolence. I especially like the ability to physically and forcefully enjoy your wife at any time of day; just as the traditional and historical foundation of marriage says.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. I see your point that they are there to produce children (loving little crap factories they are) ... Wait, so only heterosexual couples who have children, as opposed to homosexuals who could adopt orphaned children, are capable of love? I can't say for certain my relatives are capable of loving their wonderful children, which is why I'd rather have them replaced with more loving couples (gay or not) on any given day.
 
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Hebrews 13:4

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Mark 10:6-9

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
good for you! go for it, believe it. just stop trying to force other people to accept your beliefs via law.
 
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Preach this. Write about this. Endorse this. Just stop trying to legislate it.

Right on.

I simply do not think that two gays can enter the institution called marriage; I think they should be allowed to enter any legally binding contract with one another but just as how I cannot lend money to people and call myself a 'Bank' without being a registered, licensed facility, I should not insist on calling myself a Bank.

Marriage is a heterosexual institution.

However, I support civil unions between anybody, anything and for any reason. Society is built upon contracts.

I do want to say, though, that I do not support gay adoption. But that is not the topic of this thread.

If you're so worried about Godly marriages and Godly children then where's the call to make all marriages between non-Christians illegal? Or are you just going to ignore all the parts of those verses except "Male and female" including the part that mentions God?

Marriage is the institution of the family, essentially, and each family is entitled to teach whatever values it desires -- whether they are Christian, atheist, Hindu, Islamic, etc. ad nauseum.

Having a loving mother and father is very important and I believe in the freedom of folks to raise kids how they see fit providing it is not a form of child abuse. Mothers and fathers set very important roles for kids.

There is value in any parenting.

I know folks who were raised atheist that are outstanding, well rounded people though certainly I must insist they are missing some things that those raised in Christian homes receive.

I think the lessons of Jesus Christ change lives and foster the highest of moral conduct (when applied).

That's funny, because then you say . . .


My uncle left my aunt while she had cancer and two kids for a high-schooler; and their marriage was sanctified? And when my other aunt spends more time with certified losers instead of taking her children to school, her fleet marriages are sanctified too? Gee, these heterosexual marriages must be sublime. They seem so happy and divorce free, preaching their ideals of perfect marriage on account of having children while ignoring the subtleties of relationships. I suppose the ensuing divorce and nearly criminal marriage were also sanctified. Like the ability of our Roman progenitors to sell their offspring into slavery on a whim or kill them for insolence. I especially like the ability to physically and forcefully enjoy your wife at any time of day; just as the traditional and historical foundation of marriage says.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. I see your point that they are there to produce children (loving little crap factories they are) ... Wait, so only heterosexual couples who have children, as opposed to homosexuals who could adopt orphaned children, are capable of love? I can't say for certain my relatives are capable of loving their wonderful children, which is why I'd rather have them replaced with more loving couples (gay or not) on any given day.

In Christianity, we learn that in marriage a man is a woman's property and a woman is a man's property; there is mutual ownership; on sex, it is said that the two should have sex to fulfill one another to avoid temptation. There is certainly nothing about 'forcing.'

Of course, there are people who are flawed -- I think moreso since the 60s as we became a more self-centered, unhealthily individualistic society.

Luckily, I was able to observe a very happy and fulfilling marriage through my parents.
 
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Marriage is the institution of the family, essentially, and each family is entitled to teach whatever values it desires -- whether they are Christian, atheist, Hindu, Islamic, etc. ad nauseum.

Having a loving mother and father is very important and I believe in the freedom of folks to raise kids how they see fit providing it is not a form of child abuse. Mothers and fathers set very important roles for kids.

There is value in any parenting.

I know folks who were raised atheist that are outstanding, well rounded people though certainly I must insist they are missing some things that those raised in Christian homes receive.

I think the lessons of Jesus Christ change lives and foster the highest of moral conduct (when applied).

I somewhat agree with you, although I believe that a family is a family is a family... a bunch of kids living in an orphanage together who are bonded to their caretakers is as much a family as a man and woman with their children. So long as the children are observing positive role models and learning to function in society without causing harm to others in the process (indeed, I believe children should be learning to help others) then things will be okay.

However, that has nothing to do with the Bible verse in the OP of this thread that states that marriage requires God to be in the mix along with the two becoming "one" and producing a child. It doesn't address the point I made that there are a ton of marriages that don't fit that mold one tiny bit, yet the only ones that qualify to be banned are the ones that involve gay people. I could also provide Bible verses where Christ himself speaks against divorce and remarriage... yet there's no national movement to ban that either. All the energy is being spent fighting against gay marriage. To me, it seems hypocritical. If there were national movements against any form of marriage that doesn't jive 100% with the Bible, then I'd at least respect the position as being consistent even if I don't believe the Bible should be made into law in this country.

See where I'm coming from?
 
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Extreme this-ness.

Christians who have value Christian marriages: Make sure you have one. Do not expect the state to do it for you.

Then GLBT's should go ahead and make their belief system a full-blown religion and all of this strife between parents and the gay activists goes away.

Don't want to be a Christian?

Don't follow the teachings of the New Testament.

Do what thou wilteth.
 
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