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<blockquote data-quote="philadelphos" data-source="post: 76944809" data-attributes="member: 420433"><p>In your experience, what place does Scripture have in Sweden, in the family, day to day, and society at large? And where do Paul's words fit in? e.g. "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Tim 2:12)</p><p></p><p>If such passages have no effect on families and churches that would explain why churches have become political places for gender politics and family politics, instead of this:</p><p></p><p>"And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt show them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do." (Ex 18:20)</p><p></p><p>It's sad because believers are "children of light" (1 Thes 5:5) and the body of Christ is one, united without schism (1 Corinthians 12:12-27). Gender is not a battlefield. If anything each member/person is to be celebrated/rejoiced. Every person has a place.</p><p></p><p>An emasculated society seems to be the cultural norm for many. I wonder, does a man's voice hold any weight? </p><p></p><p>In the SVG debate, my views are somewhat closest to the Danish psychologist and the Swedish teacher, and their opponents come across as insufferable, radical, nasty. Maybe there's something major fuelling that fury, personal loss or sadness. I wonder if that is sensationalised for TV or a fair and accurate representation day to day? </p><p></p><p>French and Italians are very vocal so it's not uncommon to hear colourful exchanges during meals or meetings, but usually it's an honest dialogue and when people are happy or sad it's usually accurate. But in Chinese culture (most Asian cultures), controversy or discussion itself is discouraged, so often people may seem very smiley and happy at the table yet are harbouring evil thoughts, anger, bitterness, resentment, etc, while they eat.</p><p></p><p>It just makes little sense since Swedes are known to be intelligent and introverted, sensitive, kind, hospitable, and historically were the religious pioneers in Scandinavia. If anything they should be the champions for Christ. </p><p></p><p>Biblically, acceptance of "mass migrants" as asylum seekers, refugees, etc, is NOBLE, KIND, and MERCIFUL. It's loving thy neighbour as self, and it's what Israel <em>should</em> be doing. </p><p></p><p>At the same time, how can there be so many feminist radicals, militant neo-nazis, racists/xenophobes, etc. It doesn't add up. </p><p></p><p>Here in Aus, God, Scripture, and the Queen, got usurped/replaced by the government, and biblical values have deteriorated quite obviously since the 90s. So maybe it's similar in Sweden, also symptomatic of European stresses/anxieties over resource scarcity(?), hence the green/renewable initiatives(?). That then somehow social responsibility, leftism, and far-leftism, became a kind of movement and religion of sorts(?).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="philadelphos, post: 76944809, member: 420433"] In your experience, what place does Scripture have in Sweden, in the family, day to day, and society at large? And where do Paul's words fit in? e.g. "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Tim 2:12) If such passages have no effect on families and churches that would explain why churches have become political places for gender politics and family politics, instead of this: "And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt show them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do." (Ex 18:20) It's sad because believers are "children of light" (1 Thes 5:5) and the body of Christ is one, united without schism (1 Corinthians 12:12-27). Gender is not a battlefield. If anything each member/person is to be celebrated/rejoiced. Every person has a place. An emasculated society seems to be the cultural norm for many. I wonder, does a man's voice hold any weight? In the SVG debate, my views are somewhat closest to the Danish psychologist and the Swedish teacher, and their opponents come across as insufferable, radical, nasty. Maybe there's something major fuelling that fury, personal loss or sadness. I wonder if that is sensationalised for TV or a fair and accurate representation day to day? French and Italians are very vocal so it's not uncommon to hear colourful exchanges during meals or meetings, but usually it's an honest dialogue and when people are happy or sad it's usually accurate. But in Chinese culture (most Asian cultures), controversy or discussion itself is discouraged, so often people may seem very smiley and happy at the table yet are harbouring evil thoughts, anger, bitterness, resentment, etc, while they eat. It just makes little sense since Swedes are known to be intelligent and introverted, sensitive, kind, hospitable, and historically were the religious pioneers in Scandinavia. If anything they should be the champions for Christ. Biblically, acceptance of "mass migrants" as asylum seekers, refugees, etc, is NOBLE, KIND, and MERCIFUL. It's loving thy neighbour as self, and it's what Israel [I]should[/I] be doing. At the same time, how can there be so many feminist radicals, militant neo-nazis, racists/xenophobes, etc. It doesn't add up. Here in Aus, God, Scripture, and the Queen, got usurped/replaced by the government, and biblical values have deteriorated quite obviously since the 90s. So maybe it's similar in Sweden, also symptomatic of European stresses/anxieties over resource scarcity(?), hence the green/renewable initiatives(?). That then somehow social responsibility, leftism, and far-leftism, became a kind of movement and religion of sorts(?). [/QUOTE]
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