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Christian Liberties and Drinking.

What is your opinion on alchohol, and why?

  • It's OK to drink as much alchohol as you desire, as long as you don't become an alchoholic.

  • It's OK to drink alchohol in moderation; It's one of our Christian liberties.

  • It's not OK to drink alchohol at all.


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pinkieposies

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Okay, I got to think about this when I was reading through the tattoos poll, and I thought I would ask y'all's opinion on this subject here!

Do you drink alchohol? Do you consider drinking {alchohol} to be a matter of Christian liberties or not? Do you think it is wrong to consume alchohol? Do you think it is okay as long as you apply moderation to your consumption? What are your thoughts on the matter, and how have you come to these conclusions? Does your church give wine for the Lord's Supper/Communion? Or do they opt for grape juice? If so, why?

I'm very interested in hearing some of your thoughts!

God Bless,
Erin
 

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I chose the 2nd option (although on these, usually someone comes up with better wording for an option I agree with).

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Do you drink alchohol?" - Yes

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Do you consider drinking {alchohol} to be a matter of Christian liberties or not?" - Not quite sure about the whole 'Christian Liberties' phrase as I fear I may not have clear understanding of that phrase; but from what I understand getting drunk is forbidden and you can drink alchohol without getting drunk.

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Do you think it is wrong to consume alchohol?" If it leads to drunkeness - yes; otherwise no.

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Do you think it is okay as long as you apply moderation to your consumption?" - Yes.

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What are your thoughts on the matter, and how have you come to these conclusions?" Jesus drank wine and shared in social drinking. Despite what some people have been warped into believing - it was not non-alcholohic wine either. My father and I argue about this all the time (definitely a hot-topic issue). He claims that the people of Jesus time had to drink wine because water was impure (and I have heard that it was more sanitary) and he believes since we have better facilities and other options, then there is absolutely no reason at all to drink alchohol because it doesn't help our body (My dad at this point refuses to listen to medical facts where in some cases it can be helpful). Being as bull-headed as my dad, I tell him we shouldn't eat chocolate either since it would be hard to produce sufficient evidence where Reese's cups are part of a food group that helps our bodies. That's about as far as we get each time we discuss this.....

Biblically, I refer to Psalm 104:14-15 -
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He makes grass grow for the cattle,
and plants for man to cultivate—
bringing forth food from the earth:

wine that gladdens the heart of man,
oil to make his face shine,
and bread that sustains his heart."


Letting us know that God created wine and it can be used for our enjoyment and not be a sin. There are many others, as I'm sure will be posted.


"Does your church give wine for the Lord's Supper/Communion? Or do they opt for grape juice? If so, why?" I haven't found a church home yet - but every church I have been in always serves grape juice. I think they choose to do this due to the under-age drinkers taking communion in the service. Frankly, it would be fine with me if they gave wine to those who were of age and grape juice to those who weren't; if nothing else but to dispel this notion that alchohol is the worst sin anyone can commit (pretty prominent belief in church going people in my area).
 
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Defcon said:
I chose the 2nd option (although on these, usually someone comes up with better wording for an option I agree with).


Thanks for the reply and especially for the verses. I agree with you. I am not exactly of age to buy alchohol {As you can all see by my giant 20th birthday sign }, but my husband is, and he likes to enjoy a few beers every now and then and I really don't have a problem with it.

One thing my husband has brought up to me also is that it totally depends on the situation you are in. For example alchohol itself isn't evil, but it would definately be wrong to drink in front of, or offer a drink to, a recovering alchoholic {Even if you don't get drunk}. Because you are causing him to stumble and tempting him with something you know he will probably have a hard time resisting.

My church serves wine to our whole congregation, including children. We feel that because it was actual wine that Jesus told us to drink in rememberance of Him, that changing it to grape juice {not the same thing } wouldn't be right. It's pretty weak wine and those little communion cups are so tiny that there isn't too much worry about it going to the children's heads! {As far as I know I think it is okay to serve minors alchohol for religious reasons as long as they are under the supervision of an adult...But I could be wrong.}

Sorry for throwing so many questions out there! I didn't really intend for everyone to answer them all individually. And I suppose I could have picked better answers for the poll, but all I could think of was "yes", "no", and "it depends". Ha ha!

God Bless,
Erin
 
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Yes, Yes, No, Yes.

I haven't been able to find a prohibition against drinking alcohol, in moderation, in the Bible for us common folks. For the Levites it was a different matter.

Our church serves grape juice. I don't remember why, probably Presbyterian tradition.

The following was posted by Cajin Huguenot a few months back. It is a letter from a Baptist minister to his friend, another Baptist minister, concerning the drinking of alcohol. It is L O N G but explains more clearly than I would be able on this subject.

 
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Elderone said:
Yes, Yes, No, Yes.


Wow. I think that's an excellent explaination on the difference between abusing God's goods gifts and using them the way He meant them to be used. Thank you for posting that!

God Bless,
Erin
 
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I'm sorry, I actually just realized that this isn't true. Our church doesn't believe in peado-communion {SP?}. What I meant to say was minors. Wine is served at the Lord's Supper/Communion to all members including minors. But children aren't allowed to take communion until they have been confirmed in the faith, which happens at 16, I think. Sorry... Haha! I haven't been there long. I still haven't learned everything about the RCUS yet.

Erin
 
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HiredGoon said:
Do I think it's ok to drink alchohol? Of course.


Ah, un bierae predestinae... mmmmmmmm..........

Um... my church does the grape juice thing. The reason why they do grape juice is because of the "what ifs" concerning real wine. For instance, if there was a recovering alcoholic there, well... i dunno if that little amount of wine is enough to trigger something, but i dunno... best not to risk it, eh? So yah... that's for that

Want another verse concerning wine/alcohol? Teehee... one of my favorites!

1 Tim. 5:23

No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

To the glory of God,

Randy
 
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I don't have a problem with drinking on occasion.

Our church serves grape juice--I think the pastors explanation was something about the wine in Jesus' day being pretty weak anyway(like closer to grape juice than wine of today), and the "what if" that seekingpurity brought up.

I think they just felt that it was "safer" to just do the grape juice, and since we feel communion is a symbolic act, it shouldn't matter too much if it's wine or grape juice...

I don't feel it's ok to drink in front of a person who is a recovering alcoholic or a person who has a drinking problem(we have a friend who drinks entirely too much and we don't feel comfortable encouraging that--when he's with us, there's no drinking)

I don't think you will find ANYONE in here that feels differently.......
 
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HiredGoon said:
Of Course! But I think it's only available in Europe. Time for a trip to Switzerland.
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Too bad I can't read french! I like the intro with Calvin all movin' all around town! Man, I want to try that now.

I hope it is available all over Europe, my hubby and I are thinking of moving to Italy.

Erin
 
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pinkieposies said:
Too bad I can't read french! I like the intro with Cavin all movin' around town! Man, I want to try that now.

I hope it is available all over Europe, my hubby and I are thinking of moving to Italy.

Erin

Well... if you click on the "Places de Ventes" link once you get there (i believe it's the one in the middle of the three), then you will find all of the places that you can get it.

You can actually get it online... mind you, it's super expensive. I once tried to, but for some reason or another, the website asks for something that i dind't understand what t was talking about.... (I undersatnd french... but the website was being really dumb...)

I think it's only available in switzerland other than umm... online..

To the glory of God,

Randy
 
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seekingpurity047 said:
Well... if you click on the "Places de Ventes" link once you get there (i believe it's the one in the middle of the three), then you will find all of the places that you can get it.


I took french was one of the first classes I took after highschool. But I failed... I couldn't understand anything on that site.

But I think it would be worth it to buy it online at least once. My curiousity has been tickled. I e-mailed the link to my hubby. Maybe it would make a good Christmas present for him. Haha!

God Bless,
Erin
 
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Moderation in drinking alcohol is how I voted.

When we have parties, we usually will refrain from serving alcohol because we have several friends who once had problems with alcohol. Just takes the whole issue away from being a stumbling block.

In our extended family, we enjoy having wine with dinner and sometimes a glass before dinner. When we know who the guests are we try to tailor the situation to make all people comfortable.
 
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