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And the government had the responsibility of executing those who didn't follow the law. These weren't "do this out of the goodness of your heart but if you don't the government won't do anything to you", these were laws.
Maybe because the runaway spending of non-existant money is a factor in not being able to get out of the recession.
I could not care less about the original claim. Why not address the claim I made?
And the GOP is just as liable for that runaway spending as the DEMS.
Not true. The CBO had projected about a half trillion dollar deficit though 2011 before Bush left office. We're at three times that now. And most of the time between that original projection and now the Dems controlled the House.
Granted, I'm not suggesting that the Republicans are in any way models of fiscal responsibility, history clearly shows otherwise. But at this point, does it really matter who got us here?
To put it in terms of an individual, the country is at the point where there's no more equity in the house, the value isn't going up, the credit cards are almost maxed, and no one is going to extend us any more credit.
The individual when faced with that situation cuts spending. Very few have the ability to go out and significantly increase their income. Sure the government can, in theory do that, but we need real cuts first.
Real cuts first? Why? Because there aren't enough poor people yet?
What kind of business person says "Oh yeah, I'm going to balance the books by cutting costs ,but I will TURN UP MY NOSE to revenue increases!"???
Apparently the GOP has a very weak grasp of how businesses are run if that is how they think it works.
6 out of the last 10 largest percentage increases in discretionary outlays came under GOP administrations.
I understand that Obama has really ramped it up, but give me a break! It's not like the DEms "invented" rampant spending.
Considering the amount of bile spewed at the DEMS non-stop by the republicans and conservatives, I'd say it is apparently important to THEM.
But more to the point: RIGHT NOW the GOP is not negotiating in that they have taken an intransigent stance of "no tax concessions".
The GOP is acting like Democrats and poor people are the ONLY people responsible for the USA's state right now. That is simply not true.
And the worst time to grow a spine (as if they were somehow innocent bystanders while we were getting here) is when we are trying to dig our way out of the worst recession in 70 years!
Suddenly they want to be the "responsible" party when they were never responsible in the first place!
The GOP will take a serious hit for this if this goes past the deadline. I think everyone knows that. The GOP is getting a bit desperate to make sure the blame is fixed.
Again while water bills can be expensive, when the house is on fire, one doesn't usually worry about the water bill.
Real cuts first? Why? Because there aren't enough poor people yet?
What kind of business person says "Oh yeah, I'm going to balance the books by cutting costs ,but I will TURN UP MY NOSE to revenue increases!"???
Apparently the GOP has a very weak grasp of how businesses are run if that is how they think it works.
The only problem is that Christ's call to help the needy was made to the individual, not to the government. The Democratically aligned Christian leaders are off the mark in pushing the idea that caring for the poor is primarily a government function.
- establish JusticePreamble to the United States ConstitutionFrom Wikipedia, the free
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare
and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
- We the People of the United States
- in Order to form a more perfect Union
- promote the general Welfare
Why are our conservative friends so eager to relegate "promote the general Welfare" to the private sector while emphasizing "establish Justice," "insure domestic Tranquility," "provide for the common defence," and
Thirdly, what does raising the debt ceiling accomplish? The debt is still there and needs to be paid back. How about we cut spending for all of these numerous and unneeded alphabet agencies so we can actually pay off our debt instead of just passing it on to the next generation.
If Republicans criticized Democrats for ignoring Biblical principles, we'd be hearing nothing but "Church and State, Church and State"
If the ceiling isn't raised, we default on our debt, ultimately ruining our nation's credit rating on a world stage. No more loans, borrowing, etc. The economy would collapse.
Yes, cutting the alphabet soup is a big part of it. Homeland security is a joke, the NSA does what the FBI and CIA are supposed to do, the ATF can be abolished, along with the DEA, and TSA.
100% agree'd
Obama agree'd to tons of cuts he even said he wouldn't mind raising the Medi-care age to 67.
Yes; Obama wants to cut even more than what the Republicans want to cut, yet the GOP is the one always crying about spending and the debt. Obama is the only one who actually is trying to get something done to eliminate this debt, and the Republicans won't even raise taxes for multi-billionaires.
Its an effort to sabotage Obama, but in turn, really just sabotages the economy.
I have no idea what the dollar and cents benefit would be in realistic terms but I wonder if a restructoring of many of those agencies in regards to ending the "war on drugs" and moving towards decriminization, regulation and taxation of a variety of drugs would provide in both cost cuts and revenue.
In addition isn't there a lot of bloat with Defense contracts?
Perhaps I'm displaying my age somewhat here bit it reminds me of the part in Blazing Saddles in which the sheriff holds the gun to his own head and threatens everything that he's going to shoot.
Um that's God saying you should do it, not God saying the Government must do it for you
Unless you live in the USA, where our govt is a democratic republic, ran by we the people.
jgarden said:- establish Justice
- insure domestic Tranquility
- provide for the common defence
- promote the general Welfare
- secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
Why are our conservative friends so eager to "cherry pick" from the Constitution and relegate its stated intention to "promote the general Welfare" to private individuals?
The Preamble states that "We the People of the United States" should "promote the general Welfare" but "chaz345" argues that the responsibility for "help(ing) the needy" and "caring for the poor" be passed to private individuals.
If "promot(ing) the general Welfare" doesn't apply to the "poor" and "needy," just whose "general Welfare" is the government obligated to promote - the wealthy?
So are you advocating that we become a theocracy like ancient Israel?
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