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Some people do collect Social Security without ever paying into it, and I find that objectionable as well.SS and Medicare take money from people who earned it and give it to people that didn't as well.
And that is an excellent argument in favor of privatizing Social SecurityIf I live to 95 I'll get back more than I put in. If I die at 60 I'll get back less than I put in.
So if I give you a $20 with which to order a pizza you are saying that you don't have the "power" to order a pizza? You do not think you have not only the "power" but an actual mandate to order the pizza?
What else are you going to do with that money I gave you?
The money is taken in (in part) to promote the general welfare.
That's what the money is for.
I cannot imagine any way for that to not be a direct indication that "general welfare promotion" is a government power.
Some people do collect Social Security without ever paying into it, and I find that objectionable as well.
And that is an excellent argument in favor of privatizing Social Security
Police and fire depts are state and local issues and thus fall as noted by the Tenth AmendmentWhat about the fire department and police? There's no specific named tax for those, it comes out of the general taxes. Does that mean you're not paying into the fire department should your house catch on fire?
Police and fire depts are state and local issues and thus fall as noted by the Tenth Amendment
Yes, in the federal budgetWhat part of government it's on isn't the point of contention. You made the claim would be better to cut welfare than SS or medicare because people have paid into SS and medicare their entire working lives on the premise they might get it back.
Now you're mixing state budgets and federal budgets. Those are two separate discussionsI pointed out that people also pay into welfare, police, and fire departments their entire working lives on the premise they might get it back. They're the same concept, a social safety net. You seem to dislike one more than the others though. Is that because you see less of a likelihood of yourself becoming poor than becoming old?
Yes, in the federal budgetNow you're mixing state budgets and federal budgets. Those are two separate discussions
It matters because the discussion is about federal government. Please see the OPState or federal doesn't matter when the point of contention is "you payed into it on the premise you might get it back." Every one of those programs works the same way. We all pay into them and will get them back should we need. In that regard, medicare, SS and welfare all operate under the same system.
It matters because the discussion is about federal government. Please see the OP
I understadn that shifting the focus away from the topic of federal budgets to state and local budgets is a red herring.
Yes, pay into a federal system. And the reason they are different is that you pay SPECIFICALLY into Social Security and Medicare.We're not even contending the budget right now though, we're contending that you pay into a system with a possible return, and why you consider welfare to be different than SS or medicare.
Yes, pay into a federal system. And the reason they are different is that you pay SPECIFICALLY into Social Security and Medicare.
Mostly because the topic here is the federal budget.
With Social Security and Medicare, you have a specific expectation that you will be eligible for those benefits in the future. They are enumerated on your taxes. The funds are specifically collected for those purposes. Not so with welfare which is blended in with the rest of the taxes.I mean paying for it specifically as opposed to paying for it in the general budget makes SS and welfare different how exactly? In practical terms.
With Social Security and Medicare, you have a specific expectation that you will be eligible for those benefits in the future. They are enumerated on your taxes. The funds are specifically collected for those purposes. Not so with welfare which is blended in with the rest of the taxes.
Then please do that. I'd like to see how you calculate it?A specific amount of funds come out of the general taxes to go towards welfare though. I could look up exactly how much of my paycheck went to welfare last year, just like I could look up exactly how much went to SS. Having it separately named seems largely irrelevant.
Then please do that. I'd like to see how you calculate it?
Those are estimates$299 Unemployment Trust Fund
$125 Payments to the Unemployment Trust Fund
$117 Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund
$114 Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
$78 Supplemental Security Income Program
$28 Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
$28 Child Nutrition Programs
$789/40,000 went towards welfare and unemployment.
Your Social Security and Medicare are taxed specifically for Social Security and MedicareFor reference SS was $1243 and Medicare was $580. Doesn't seem like a terrible burden to me, and should I ever lose my savings, it'll be there for me, just like SS will be should I live past 67 or whatever the age is now.
Where did my tax dollars go?
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