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Lotar said:pssst... it's always the anabaptists who teach these strange things
Photini said:That's a pretty neat-looking "faith icon" Lotar.
Grace and peace in Christ!
Honorable, kind, dear Sir and Friend! Since you ask whether my seal has come out correctly, I shall answer most amiably and tell you of those thoughts which [now] come to my mind about my seal as a symbol of my theology.
There is first to be a cross, black [and placed] in a heart, which should be of its natural color, so that I myself would be reminded that faith in the Crucified saves us. For if one believes from the heart he will be justified. Even though it is a black cross, [which] mortifies and [which] also should hurt us, yet it leaves the heart in its [natural] color [and] does not ruin nature; that is, [the cross] does not kill but keeps [man] alive. For the just man lives by faith, but by faith in the Crucified One. Such a heart is to be in the midst of a white rose, to symbolize that faith gives joy, comfort, and peace; in a word it places the believer into a white joyful rose; for [this faith] does not give peace and joy as the world gives and, therefore, the rose is to be white and not red, for white is the color of the spirits and of all the angels. Such a rose is to be in a sky-blue field, [symbolizing] that such joy in the Spirit and in faith is a beginning of the future heavenly joy; it is already a part [of faith], and is grasped through hope, even though not yet manifest. And around this field is a golden ring, [symbolizing] that in heaven such blessedness lasts forever and has no end, and in addition is precious beyond all joy and goods, just as gold is the most valuable and precious metal.
May Christ, our dear Lord, be with your spirit until the life to come. Amen.
From the wilderness Grubok, July 8, 1530
Martin Luther, vol. 49, Luther's Works, Vol. 49 : Letters II, ed. Jaroslav Jan Pelikan, Hilton C. Oswald and Helmut T. Lehmann, Luther's Works (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1999, c1972).
LW 49:358-359
You can download part 1 here http://www.stgabrielokc.org/Lecture%20Books/Level%201/l1-1.pdftizziale said:Where is Bishop Kalistos' book online?
Lotar said:For non-confessionals, yes.
Most likely the guy just misunderstands what his church teaches. That happens as often with Protestants as it does with Catholics
I know this statement was made in jest, but please be careful what you say. My uncle's wife is part of a mennonite community and he is now a pastor of a mennonite church. My aunt's ancestors were some of those people who were burned and executed by Lutherans in Germany because they believed so strongly in pacifism. The wounds from those experiences still run deep, so please be careful. God bless!Lotar said:anabaptists
too bad we don't burn them anymore...
Patristic said:I know this statement was made in jest, but please be careful what you say. My uncle's wife is part of a mennonite community and he is now a pastor of a mennonite church. My aunt's ancestors were some of those people who were burned and executed by Lutherans in Germany because they believed so strongly in pacifism. The wounds from those experiences still run deep, so please be careful. God bless!
Lotar said:anabaptists
too bad we don't burn them anymore...
Lotar said:Sorry if I offend. My whole family is anabaptist. They've just been frustrating me of late.
It was a joke my dear sir. I appologize if I offended anyone.St. Tikon said:First: No matter how misguided they were, BURNING was wrong.
Second: To my knowlege, the Orthodox Church never burned any Anabaptists.....so what are you refering to when you say "WE"?
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