Christ And Krishna: The Name Is The Same

[Yusuf Evans]

Allot of words we use today in English, have their origins in the old Vedic language that is used in Hindi today.

http://religion.krishna.org/Articles/2000/09/00107.html

 

[anatolian]

interesting,engllish is a member of indo-europen language family but greek is not as I know, then we must ask does the greek word "christos" mean "Mashiah" in real?

 

[anatolian]

I have read the dialogue, the hindu cleric wants Jesus a later incarnation of Krishna and tries to fit his hwords into hinduism, for example "you shall not kill" this commendment exists in the old covenant and prohibits the human killing only ,the same covenant is full of animal sacrifices...

by the way yes killing an animal for nothing is completely a sin,and I believe even fishing as a hoby is a sin or shooting birds but killing or sacrificing animals to eat in the name of Allah is not sin,because Allah created animals for us just like plants

 

[Paladin Dave]

Well said, Anatolian. English is very much a hodge-podge language. The names in the Bible are modified from their original Greek and Hebrew, and most of the English language is based on Latin, Greek, and German. Its easy sometimes for Americans to think English is a foundation language because its spoken so widely, but its actually quite the opposite; rather, English is a mixture of Old English, Germanic(more than one dialect was spoken by the Barbarian tribes), Latin and Greek, and of course, look at all the French words that have been thrown into the English vocabulary. Europeans, Angles especially, made very little contact, if any, with India until their languages were already pretty fully developed. And given just how complex languages can be, and how similar words can sound and have completely different meanings(even in the same language! German Bis is until, but Biss is bite. Hast is have, but Hasst is a conjugated form of hate.). It will take a bit more than a linguistic conclusion-jump to convince me; sorry.

 

[anatolian]

some of the north europen tribes went to india and returned to europe again once upon a time and were effected by their culture and language also, actually north europen languages and south west asian languages are known as indo-europen language family, did you know in persian bed means bad,na means no,maader means mother,birader as in tukish means brother.. etc

 

[Paladin Dave]

Actually, the proposition/theory was that the Indo-European language was once one language, from a people who existed around Asia Minor, and they expanded out from Europe to India, and they developed seperate languages from there. Northern Europeans stayed in northern Europe until the days of the Roman Empire; if the theory of common language is correct, then it was from our common ancestral tongue that developed into many different languages and dialects, not Europeans going to India and bringing back the language. Even so, these are only hypotheses, and haven't actually been proven, I hope you know. Location Hypothesis and Kurgan Hypothesis are the main theories for the origin of Indo-European languages, the other being Anatolian Hypothesis, which is commonly rejected today. Even that one agreed that people went from one point in the east to Europe, and never went back until they had already developed their languages.

So, while I concede that there is similarity in the names and roots, Krsta is still "attractive" and Christos is still "Annointed One". If the words had the same meaning, I might be convinced, but right now you're convincing me about as much as those jumpy fundamentalist Christians who believe Santa is evil because Satan and Santa can be scrambled to spell eachother.

 

[arunma]

Setting aside (for the moment) the fact that it is blasphemy to equate the Lord Jesus with a pagan deity, the statement "The words sound the same, therefore Jesus Christ is Krishna" doesn't logically follow. The words don't share any obvious common root. It's highly unlikely that Hindi and English words would even have very many common roots, seeing as how Hindi only showed up about 1,000 years ago.

 

[Matt112]

Setting aside (for the moment) the fact that it is blasphemy to equate the Lord Jesus with a pagan deity, the statement "The words sound the same, therefore Jesus Christ is Krishna" doesn't logically follow. The words don't share any obvious common root. It's highly unlikely that Hindi and English words would even have very many common roots, seeing as how Hindi only showed up about 1,000 years ago.

It is interesting to note that the similarities don't end there. The stories of Krishna and Jesus Christ share many important factors:

• The future births of both messiahs were predicted ahead of time.
• Christ was descended from Abraham
• Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).
• Christ was at once a Koresh, a Hebrew, and a Yehudi.
• Krishna was at once a Kurus, an Abhira, and a Yadava.
• Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.
• Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.
• Christ's first name, Jesus, was Yeshua.
• A title of Krishna, meaning "love; devotion," was Yesu. Even today, many Hindu parents name their sons, Yesu Krishna.
• Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.
• Krishna's mother was named Devaki.
• Jesus mother was called Mary.
• Krishna did not have an earthly father as such, but a protector, named Vasudeva.
• Jesus did not have an earthly father as such, but a mortal protector named Joseph.
• An evil king tried to kill Christ and Krishna when they were both infants.
• To protect the infant Jesus, Joseph and Mary took him to Maturai, Egypt.
• To protect the infant Krishna, his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, took him to Mathura, India.
• It was predicted that both men would die to atone for the sins of their people.
• Both men preached to their people.
• Christ was crucified and then resurrected. Krishna was killed by a hunter's arrow and impaled on a tree. Later, he returned to life.
• Christ was crucified in Jerusalem.
• Some Hindu scholars think that Krishna died in Jerusalem, having gone there when his coastal city of Dwarka sank under the sea. Others say he went to Iraq.
• Christ appeared after his "death." Krishna appeared after his "death."
• Both of them have a major holiday dedicated to them on December 25th.
• Christ had a female admirer named Mary Magdalene. Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.

Another misunderstanding you have, Arunma, is that the language we are speaking of is Hindi. You correctly stated that Hindi is a relatively new language. However the tongue we are mentioning is Sanskrit, which is far older, and was probably spoken widely in Asia, milleniums before the appearance of Christ.

So how do you want to treat these similarities? How do you account for the blatant correlations between both the names of places and persons? I too, was once a Christian, and a Calvinist by chance. But you probably hold the assertion that I was never a Christian for I would of persevered if I was(TULIP). But that is besides the point. I am interested in your opinion on the exclusivity of Christianity from other religions and quotes from scripture that support your claims.

You may be surprised to know that I do believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he did die on a cross to atone the sins(evil karma) of His people. But I do not accept that he is the only Incarnation, and that other Avatars(God descending) do not exist. I invite you to show me the scripture where it says that Jesus is the only Christ. In fact, the only place where Jesus mentions other Christs is where he stated, "False prophets and false Christs will appear". Does this necessarily mean that all other Incarnations are false? I hope you won't go for "the devil did it" argument as common as it is.

I accept Jesus. But I do not accept hundreds of years of man-made theology.

Matt x

 

[baobobtree]

Namaste Matt.

Your list has some good points to it, but there are some misconceptions I'd like to correct here, and some questions I'd like to ask you.

Both of them have a major holiday dedicated to them on December 25th.

I don't recall there being a holiday on December.25th dedicated to Krishna. Care to enlighten me as to what it is?

Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.

As far as I remember he was just an incarnation of Vishnu not Shiva. Although some Shaivite sub-sects might believe he is also an avatar of Shiva.

Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.

Well, Yahweh is usually believed to be the name of "The Father" not "The Son"in the Christian trinity, so you're a bit off there.

Christ had a female admirer named Mary Magdalene. Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.

I do not recall a gopi that was named Marya. Could you provide a link for this?

Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).

Now that's really stretching it.

Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.

Krishna was born in a dungeon not a stable.

It was predicted that both men would die to atone for the sins of their people.

I'm not sure we can really say that Krishna died to atone for are sins, and I haven't seen anything in the Mahabharata to support this idea.

 

[Matt112]

Namaste Baobobtree,

The list came from here:
http://www.viewzone.com/davidkoresh.html

You must forgive me if I am a little ignorant and misinformed on the subject matter. This is new territory for me. I made the point of replying to Arumna on the basis that I had found the above article both very interesting and pertinent to this thread.

I too was a little confused about the gopi called Marya. The above article is the only one I could find on google containing this name, so I too am a little dubious. The Brahma/Abraham connection, however, I do believe is significant, having read other articles discussing this link.

You may have come across other historical commentaries showing the links between Jesus and other crucified saviours. An apologist at Tektonics.org had a interesting refution to these claims. I'd be interested in knowing what Arumna says about this matter.

Thanks for your reply,

Matt x

 

[français]

Just because many Hindi names are similar in English does not mean anything. Many Spanish words are influenced by arabic, many arabic influenced by Hebrew, many Hebrew influenced by ancient Caanonite. They all evolve from one another!

 

[Abbadon]

Christ And Krishna: The Name Is The Same

No, "Annointed" and "Black" aren't the same word.
The meaning of the word "Christ" may be found here.

The meaning of the name "Krishna" may be found here.

Allot of words we use today in English, have their origins in the old Vedic language that is used in Hindi today.

Actually, both of those languages are derived from the proto-Indo-European language.

interesting,engllish is a member of indo-europen language family but greek is not as I know, then we must ask does the greek word "christos" mean "Mashiah" in real?

Greek is actually a part of the Indo-european language family.

It is interesting to note that the similarities don't end there.

Krishna was a warrior. Jesus wasn't. Major major difference. Krishna also engages in a great deal of sexual activity, and there's no mention at all of whether or not Jesus even married.

Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).

The Semitic language family is not derived from the Indo-European one. 'Abraham' is not related to 'Brahma.'

Abraham's father was Terah of Ur, which was in Babylon, which is pretty far from India, which is where Krishna would have been born.

Some Hindu scholars think that Krishna died in Jerusalem, having gone there when his coastal city of Dwarka sank under the sea. Others say he went to Iraq.

And yet Jerusalam isn't mentioned at all in any Hindu scriptures.

Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.

Source that's older than the modern era?

You must forgive me if I am a little ignorant and misinformed on the subject matter.

QFT

The Brahma/Abraham connection, however, I do believe is significant, having read other articles discussing this link.

Do you have any sources on that supposed connection that is not created in the modern era by people trying to get people to convert to Hinduism?