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Being a father gives us insight about fatherhood that can never be transmitted via a book. Because we are created in our Creator's image, what we learn through loving our children is how we understand how our Father/Mother/God loves us. The potential of the Bible is realized when it helps us move more deeply into our own experience - not replaces it.Please describe to me in more detail your understanding of how "we mirror our Father". What meaning are you attempting to convey?
Gilbert
If Paul says that women should keep silence in church Avonia says they should not, which of them is correct? Both? Neither?I must applaud the fact that we've yet to see the word "fundamentalist" in this discussion!Hopefully, this will continue . . . . It seems that we find ourselves back to a question that is similar to many others that have come up in this forum.
Q: If Paul says we are adopted and Avonia says we are not, which of them is correct? Both? Neither?
BFA
When people suggest that humans did not know how to express the love of God until Jesus came I wonder what they believe a mother's love is all about.Said more simply, everything we need to know about "the plan of salvation" is continuously revealed in everything around us. How could it not be?
I must applaud the fact that we've yet to see the word "fundamentalist" in this discussion!Hopefully, this will continue . . . . It seems that we find ourselves back to a question that is similar to many others that have come up in this forum.
Q: If Paul says we are adopted and Avonia says we are not, which of them is correct? Both? Neither?
BFA
If Paul says that women should keep silence in church Avonia says they should not, which of them is correct? Both? Neither?
The list can be extended but the answer remains the same.
Conflicts are resolved by reexamining the evidence. If we are created by God then we are members of his family and can never need to be adopted?
The prodigal son did not need to be adopted when he returned home.
Obviously, Paul was being extremely partisan in his view. He was referencing the artificial boundaries humans have developed over the years.
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On the other hand there is the Seventh-day Adventist Church's negative message rejecting and excluding all other churches from true Christianity.
The obvious conclusion that I came to is the question, "Why is Seventh-day Adventism seeking acceptance from the 'Unacceptables'"?
- We are the only true church
- We are the only living church
- All other churches are wrong and unacceptable as true Christianity
- All other churches are harlots of Babylon
- There is no excuse for the existence of any other church
- Satan has taken full possession of the churches as a body
- All other churches' creeds and doctrines are an abomination
- All the ministers in your churches are corrupt
- All your churches are divided and cannot get along
- All your churches are churches of the devil
- All other so-called Christian churches are completely apostate
- The fullness of the gospel disappeared from the earth until Seventh-day Adventism arrived in the 1800's
- The gospel you preach is false
- The true gospel can only be found in the Seventh-day Adventist Church
- Your ministers are hirelings of Satan
- The name Seventh-day Adventist is a standing rebuke to the Protestant world
- The Seventh-day Adventist Church alone are God's remnant people
- The Seventh-day Adventist General Conference is God's highest authority on earth
- Satan is now in heaven answering the prayers of non-Adventists
Gilbert Jorgensen
If Paul says that women should keep silence in church Avonia says they should not, which of them is correct? Both? Neither?
The list can be extended but the answer remains the same. Conflicts are resolved by reexamining the evidence. If we are created by God then we are members of his family and can never need to be adopted? The prodigal son did not need to be adopted when he returned home. Obviously, Paul was being extremely partisan in his view. He was referencing the artificial boundaries humans have developed over the years.
I am hoping you understand that this is included in "re-examining the evidence."In my experience, most conflicts are resolved by looking and understanding what both involved parties are meaning and saying.
This is even the case in science, when you have clear and generally agreed upon evidence.
JM
I am intrigued by this claim. Tell me how your acquaintance with Paul, who was dead when you were born, is more intimate than your acquaintance with Avonia, who engages you in contemporary debate.Since I know Paul's credentials and know little of Avonia's, I'd place higher value on Paul's advice.
I did not have the privilege of knowing Paul - so I can't say. I have only hearsay. What I can say with much certainty is that I find Avonia's perspective rather compelling.Since I know Paul's credentials and know little of Avonia's, I'd place higher value on Paul's advice.
I am intrigued by this claim. Tell me how your acquaintance with Paul, who was dead when you were born, is more intimate than your acquaintance with Avonia, who engages you in contemporary debate.
BFA, you seem to have difficulty differentiating between a single parent and many parents. When you find another being in the Universe who is equal to the Creator at any level let me know.
A son cannot be adopted by his own father.Sentipente, you seem to have difficulty understanding the underpinnings of an analogy. We are adopted as sons. Your appeal to the equality of parentage is moot.
BFA
I judge a post by its content, not by its author, unless authorship is the issue. No one is always correct or always wrong.Would you find my posts to be more persuasive than Paul's writings? If not, why not?
That is a fascinating viewpoint.
Who would you say is? Who would you trust as a reliable authority on the state of the universe? And what is your definition for "state of the universe"? I am starting a glossary. I have one with over two hundred words common to Adventists, but I see that you are coming up with some new ones.
Gilbert
I don't know your educational experience, but you should have no difficulty understanding that, aside of the Creator, the most reliable authority on the state of the universe is the universe itself. Paul also came to the same conclusion in Rom. 1:20 where he says that the hidden things of the Creator are revealed in the things that He made.
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