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Changing the definition of marriage.

What is your stance about the right for gay marriages?

  • It is wrong! It is a perversion of what the purpose of marriage is supposed to be!

  • It is right! People should be able to have the right to do what they want!

  • Homosexuality is wrong in any form.

  • I am undecided.


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draper

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I saw a LOT of inaccurate & untrue stuff said in this thread.

Homosexuality does occur in nature & the whole 'genepool dry up' argument is absurd.

But its against forum rules to debate that here.

How free do you want to be? I'm sure you're free to do a lot of things others may disagree with...but, you're free to do them anyways. Same applies to homosexuals.

I'd change the definition of marriage.
 
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Petrarch said:
Furthermore, if the definition can be changed to have two men or two women marry, what keeping three or four people from marrying?
Whats keeping 3 or 4 people from marrying?

The fact that we decided not to let 3 or 4 people get married.
 
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Whoa, old thread.

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Well, the rules regarding discussions on homosexuality have changed since then. If we can stay off of the homosexuality (as discussions relating to that are only allowed in three forums, GT, LT, and Phil & Mor), this thread'll stay. I think, anyway. I'm sure about the three forum thing.

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I find it funny how many times a society can "evolve" to such a point where morality is so relative that we say "to each, his own" without any thought as to the consequences. I also find it funny how blind we can often be to the things that do actually go on all around us.

Being a Christian and someone who represents God, I do not agree with the idea of the current homosexual agenda... it's not that it is about changing one's legal status in the country, or what the secular world does, because I know that as a Christian, quite often my views will not be very popular with the surrounding society (especially one that is opposed to God, as ours is becoming...).

To say that the homosexual interest group does not affect the church or press their views on Christians, though, is both naive and false. I can cite several examples to this. For instance, there was a boy who sued his Catholic school because he could not bring his boyfriend to prom. Also, in British Columbia, it was declared as of last May I believe that it is illegal for anyone to hold a liscence to marry unless they are willing and agree with doing homosexual marriages. The Anglican church has excommunicated priests who have trouble with this, and they are completely divided on the issue. Again, the Toronto Star newspaper considers Christians who do not agree with the idea as "backwards, religious fundamentalists"... I find it funny how those who are the most activistic and vocal for "tolerance" are the least tolerant people around.

If we want to discuss equal rights, then why is it that the two groups who are usually silenced or shoved into the corner are the Christians and the Jews (and to an increasing degree as well, the Muslims)? Why is it that children are not allowed to pray to God in school? Why is it that during "multicultural days", nobody is allowed to say anything about Christ? Why is it that Christmas and Easter are kept strictly to Santa and a rabbit, yet pagan rituals and Buddhist mantras are taught openly, and embraced by the school system as regular practice? Why is Evolution taught as the truth, even though it has a lot of holes in the argument, and no debate is allowed? Why is it that the sex education in our school system advocates sexual promiscuity and targets pregnancy as the major problem, when STD's and emotional scarring is considerably worse? Why are college students silenced when they try advocating abstinance? I could go on here, but I think I am making my point. The debate about equality is never truly about equality anymore. It's about supremecy and doing whatever we want, whenever we want, with whomever we want to do it, and not having anyone standing in the wings telling us not to do it...

For instance, if I was a kleptomaniac and was a burglar by trade, should I fight and lobby for equal rights for burglars and kleptomaniacs? After all, it's not my fault that I steal everything, is it? I was made that way. So why is it that I keep getting sent to prison and have all of my treasures taken from me? I should have equal rights to everyone else. It's treasonous and INTOLERANT of anyone to tell me that stealing, according to God, is wrong! They should be silenced, and there should be laws stating that I should not be discriminated against, just because of my condition that I was born with, which is totally natural. I should be allowed to keep what I take because possession is 9/10 of the law, in my books. After all, are we not a liberated nation here in Canada, all grown up and evolved from the rigid morals of our past?

Specifically regarding the Homosexual marriage issue, I am not going to use the "dried up gene pool" argument, as I do agree that it doesn't hold up much ground. But I will look to countries such as Denmark, Norway and Sweden... countries that have led the way in "liberating" the "equal" rights in marriage. Since 1989, when Denmark approved this act of legislation, 69% of children were born out of wedlock, and are being raised by single mothers. After 1993, when Norway legalized it, their out-of-wedlock births raised from 39-50%, and Sweden's went from 47% to 55%. (these stats taken from New Man magazine, September/October 2004 edition, page 22)... Marriage is cheapened when the idea of marriage is further separated from reproduction...

But then, of course, we also have the pro-death advocates who can probably keep that birthrate low, right? Hardly!

Well, if the government wants to push for this bill, I guess let them. I have no power or authority to stand against it. But there will be significant consequences down the road. Watch and learn. Oh Canada, who yet stands on guard for thee?

By what I say, it is not that I hate those who are homosexual in orientation. I disagree with the practice of homosexuality because that is how I believe God feels about it, but I truly love all of God's people... It's taken me a lot of heartache to come to that, but it's the truth. We have all fallen, in some sense of the word, from the way things were meant to be. Our whole society is going straight into the grave... but I choose to be a voice that is calling the people to look up and to turn back to God... a voice crying in the wilderness, "Make straight the path of the LORD!"
 
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I am all for gay marriage. Why? Because marriage as our society defines it is NOT the same as the Biblical definition of marriage, a covenant between a man, a woman, and God, anymore. Calling them by the same name is a farce at best.

Let people marry who they want and do what they want. Polygamy, polyandry, two men, two women, five men three women and the family dog... what they do, I don't care.

But MY marriage shall conform to the Word of God. My marriage will have nothing in common with society's definition of marriage. And my marriage will be sanctified and holy in God's eyes.

I'm not the best speaker, but you get my point, I hope?

We need a permanent separation of church and state, one where they can't tell us how to worship or who our pastors & priests can marry, and one in which Christian beliefs, thoughts, and values don't necessarily shape the nation's laws. As long as Christians are allowed to live their beliefs without hindrance from the government, then let the government do as it will.
 
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how can you say that your all for gay marriage if your a christian...sounds to me like as long as your marriage is right in the eyes of god then whatever society thinks is nor here noe there..dont you think as a christian you should be speaking out against it since it goes against everything that gods word teaches us?sounds to me like maybe you are taking the easy way out by doing nothing and thats what backs the churches into a corner..when people decide that something is wrong but want to turn the other cheek as if it doesnt exist..
 
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I hate gay marriage. I think it is wrong; that's my opinion, based on what I've read in the scriptures. But I think that there are dangers in trying to force government to conform to religious beliefs, because it goes two ways.
 
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The government will do what they find to be expedient. Whatever pressure group squeaks the most gets the grease. So it is inevitable that marriage for gays will become the law of the land. (unless there is national repentance) Some have said that being gay is natural. That is true. That does not mean it is right.

When a people forget their God, when they forget his word, and begin to go down the long road towards apostasy it is only a matter of time before God will give them over to their passions. (He no longer is a restraining influence) It will eventually be accepted and protected by the government. The majority will insist on it. In the end the judgement of God will start to manifest.

Understand... homosexuality is present in many people. Society must give up God first. (it has been doing this) Then God will begin to give them over to their passions. The problem is we have given up on God as a society. The spread of homosexuality is but one of the natural consequences.

That is my understanding of what Romans chapter one was trying to show, the progression away from God and its consequences:

breakdown of marriage, easy divorce, pornography, lying, cheating, murder of the innocent, various forms of sexuality, idolatry, etc.



We live in a natural world. It is only right for homosexuality to spread and for governments to eventually legalize its unions. It is only wrong for those who are looking for the coming kingdom of God and hold to a rather fundamentalist point of view. Personally, I would rather be "wrong" on God's side.
 
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I think my main problem with this whole issue is that we must hate the sin but not the sinner, and the media likes to make no distinction between the two.

We were created with free will, and I do believe that people have the right to choose how to live their lives, no matter how contrary to God's word it might be, and also that we really do have no right to impose our beliefs on them. After all, I don't want them imposing their beliefs on me. Is it possible for a person to condemn something on a personal level while still supporting it on a legal level? Because that's pretty much where I sit on this whole issue.
 
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To speak the truth in love is the only requirement that God asks of us in these circumstances. When given a choice to support or deny by vote on an issue... I will do as the conviction of my heart, based on knowledge of God's way, lead me. Extending the definition of marriage for this circumstance I believe to be wrong.

 
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I would vote no, its wrong. As Christians our stance on this issue is clear. God says it's wrong and we know it's wrong. It's not just a little bit wrong either. The word says that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.

Of course we should vote no but it dosn't matter
anyway because a Christian's definition of marriage is stipualated by God's word and not by Canadian Legislation. God's word will not change with the legislature.
 
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My God, I'm disappointed with most of you!


Do you really think God granted us our souls, and made them somehow different from one another? Male souls and Female souls? Please... Souls are souls! Some born into this life as males, some as females.


Any love between souls, regardless of gender, has to be approved of by God. How could it not be? God is, after all, responsible for all there is within creation. And I cannot see how He would consider love to be wrong or evil.
 
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I do not care what homosexuals do in their own home - just as long as they keep it out of schools, politics and work - just as I will keep my own faith out of schools, politics and well - not work. But thats because I work for a Christian company.

The homosexuals have all the right to start their own school system (without government funding).

Then again - lots of groups get funding from the government that shouldn't:

Companies that compete with privately owned companies, groups that should be funded by their own members, and EGALE - most specifically EGALE - why are they funded by the government

The governments gay voice - thats exactly what EGALE is and now with this huge issue in Toronto... - although no Christians are making noise (going to change, as they're going to enjoy our class action lawsuit..)

Anyways! peace out, Jesus is King.
Keep it in your homes - it has no right in the workplace, school or government.
 
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