CF Wiki: "inverted crosses...are considered satanic"

Teshi · Sep 11, 2007

So I don't really get the Wiki rule-making system, and I don't really know much 'bout ecclesiastical art, so I'll defer to folks who are more savvy and educated than I am...perhaps someone might want to go about fixing this? This wiki currently says:

Pentagrams and inverted crosses particularly in todays world are considered satanic symbols by the vast majority and violate the above principle hence are dissallowed.

I made the following posts here and here on the topic.

Just thought y'all'd want a heads-up.

Rhamiel · Sep 11, 2007

and pentagrams are pagan, not that I like paganism but it is differant than satan worship, but yea the upside down cross is a christian symbol of St.Peter and should be allowed

Teshi · Sep 11, 2007

Dewi Sant · Sep 11, 2007

Inverted crosses are most widely considered to be antichristian in todays world

Unfortunatly it is true .

My Primary school (St. Peter's) used to have an inverted cross with cross-keys on it's shield. Now it's just cross-keys .

Unfortunatly the common mis-belief leads many to be fooled by Anti-Catholic literature talking about the inverted cross and Catholicism .

I think many people don't seem to realise that not just Jesus was crucified, so too was Peter and Andrew (to name but two).

WarriorAngel · Sep 11, 2007

I dont think it is the upside down cross that is bad...
I am under the impression that it is the broken upside down cross that is satanic.

Those peace signs from the 60's are what I am talking about.

EllenMoran · Sep 11, 2007

I replied as well. FTR, I'd never in my life heard of the peace sign being anti-Christian until this thread.

tadoflamb · Sep 12, 2007

I believe the inverted cross being satanic is a new invention.

It's been a long time reminder of the martyrdom of St. Peter. We can't let these guys highjack our imagery.

Pax,

Tad

Globalnomad · Sep 12, 2007

(double post)

Globalnomad · Sep 12, 2007

I never heard of the inverted cross being Satanic, either. Then again, I have never seen it actually used as a symbol for St. Peter, even though we all know he was crucified on an inverted cross. IOW, we know the association, but it has not come into wide usage as a symbol (Ramesses's primary school notwithstanding).

Never heard of the peace sign being Satanic either.

Listen, I'm a passionate anti-relativist, but symbols are fundamentally subjective. You see what you want to see in them, and in the end, their only objectivity comes from being seen the same way by a majority of the people. The swastika was a harmless Indian (Aryan...) sun symbol. In the same way, the 60s peace sign is now associated by the majority of people with something completely different from Satanism (if it ever WAS a satanic symbol, which as I said, I have never heard before)

But if there is no agreed majority meaning (I think the vast majority of people in the world have zilch association with an inverted cross), it's probably not a battle worth fighting.

Dewi Sant · Sep 12, 2007

The 'peace' symbol was a letter symbol of "NDA" or Nuclear Disarmament Alliance.
Or at least I think it was that.
It was definatly Nuclear Disarmament.

Apparently it comes from the Cross of Nero.

I greatly agree with tadoflamb. We musn't let the heterodox steal our symbolism.
It seems that the only symbol that hasn't been twisted into some anti-christian meaning is the simple Latin Cross.

Globalnomad · Sep 12, 2007

ramesses said:
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It seems that the only symbol that hasn't been twisted into some anti-christian meaning is the simple Latin Cross.

Not anti-Christian, but definitely non-Christian: it has become a universal symbol for death (e.g. in documents or texts on monuments, to indicate the date of death)

Da_Funkey_Gibbon · Sep 12, 2007

Well, originally the cross was used properly in that situation- yes he's dead, but there is the hope of the resurrection- (After all the cross is in one sense a symbol of death even in the Christian understanding, you could probably write a sizable essay on all the symbolisms contained in the cross.) but I guess that meaning has largely been forgotten by most nowadays, sadly.

I blame Gothic fiction.

Dewi Sant · Sep 12, 2007

The symbolism and reality of the cross never ceases to amaze.

Miss Shelby · Sep 12, 2007

ramesses said:
The symbolism and reality of the cross never ceases to amaze.

I hear ya. The world will always take what is beautiful and turn it into something disgusting.

Chococat · Sep 14, 2007

Sad but true Miss Shelby. Still that is Satan's speciality - taking something holy and making it into something unholy. For instance the rainbow was once a symbol of God's covenant with Mankind not to flood the earth again but now it is either a New Age or gay rights symbol. Likewise the triangle was once a symbol of the Holy Trinity but Satanists now use it as one of their symbols apparently. Even the pentagram was once a Christian symbol representing the 5 wounds of Christ but of course it was hijacked by pagans/occultists.

WarriorAngel · Sep 14, 2007

Miss Shelby said:
I hear ya. The world will always take what is beautiful and turn it into something disgusting.

And ironically on the other hand they will take something evil and make it good.

DID anyone hear about the pentagram poll this forum is taking now?

Pentagrams have two uses, [not to be confused with stars] but if they are upward they symbolize wicca, and if upside down, satanism.

AND this forum is recently taking a poll to see if it should be in sigs.

Whatever...

SO an ancient upside cross is considered bad, but a pentagram is ok.

Argyle · Sep 14, 2007

Someone next door, used thee analogy.. that after everything else around here.. that worrying about inverted crosses & pentagrams was like having a water main break & worrying about a dripping faucet.

ps139 · Sep 14, 2007

Globalnomad said:
I never heard of the inverted cross being Satanic, either. Then again, I have never seen it actually used as a symbol for St. Peter, even though we all know he was crucified on an inverted cross. IOW, we know the association, but it has not come into wide usage as a symbol (Ramesses's primary school notwithstanding).

I think it is on the back of the pope's chair, this upside down cross. I've seen pictures. Also, I went to a site/shrine in Rome where St. Peter was kept in prison (the Mamertine Prison) and there is now an altar in there with an inverted cross, a marker of St. Peter.

I think nowadays a lot of people won't recognize the association, but I have a feeling that "back in the day" it would have been common knowledge.

Chococat · Sep 15, 2007

WarriorAngel said:
And ironically on the other hand they will take something evil and make it good.

DID anyone hear about the pentagram poll this forum is taking now?

Pentagrams have two uses, [not to be confused with stars] but if they are upward they symbolize wicca, and if upside down, satanism.

AND this forum is recently taking a poll to see if it should be in sigs.

Whatever...

SO an ancient upside cross is considered bad, but a pentagram is ok.

Have you got the link to that poll Warrior Angel?

WarriorAngel · Sep 15, 2007

Link to thread discussing it AND the link is there too.

CF Wiki: "inverted crosses...are considered satanic"

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