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CF Election Game: The Vote

Which party is your first choice to lead the new government of the Republic of CF?

  • Social Equality and Justice (Mzungu)

  • Federalist (Panzerkampfwagen)

  • Common Sense Party (Jayem)

  • Liberty (Callmemurph)

  • The Peoples' Christian Party (Dawiyd)

  • The Democratic Socialist Party (WiredSpirit)

  • Hawk Party (Chris81)


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mzungu

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The Social Equality and Justice party agrees with all of GAIA's policies and is willing to make concessions in order to form a coalition together with the Social Democratic party. There is more that we have in common than what divides us.

Let all people stand in insolence to the one's who wish to enslave us in spiritual and economic bondage.

Let no state or institution be allowed to rob our children and future generations of a healthy ecology and environment.

We are the custodians of the only place we can call a home; A tiny blue Gem called Gaia. She is our mother and as such is due our utmost respect and protection.

EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, SECURITY and FREEDOM! We shall never tire of accenting the need for all four!

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
 
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How would a privatized healthcare system prohibit medicine to those who can afford it? Government intervention is what makes healthcare as expensive as it is.
 
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How would a privatized healthcare system prohibit medicine to those who can afford it? Government intervention is what makes healthcare as expensive as it is.
In the US, if I can't afford a life-saving operation, I die. In the UK, if I can't afford a life-saving operation, the cost is covered by the state. Obviously it's more complex than that, but that's the basic difference between socialised and privatised healthcare: the former is healthcare for all, regardless of whether you can afford it or not, while the latter is healthcare for only those who can afford it. That said, let's not derail the thread
 
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That is not necessarily true. Some doctors do pro bono work. There are charities that help people as well. I see lots of fund raisers for people in need.
 
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That is not necessarily true. Some doctors do pro bono work. There are charities that help people as well. I see lots of fund raisers for people in need.
Ah, the wonders of a socialist mindset; doctors helping all people out of charity, rather than helping the rich out of greed .
 
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Ah, the wonders of a socialist mindset; doctors helping all people out of charity, rather than helping the rich out of greed .

There is no charity in socialism. Forcing people to give their money for the good of others is not charity, it is theft. Giving to help someone is good, stealing to help someone isn't. People who are greedy with their own money are bad enough, people who are greedy with other people's money are even worse.
 
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There is no charity in socialism. Forcing people to give their money for the good of others is not charity, it is theft.
Governments call it 'taxation'. A rose by any other name...

Giving to help someone is good, stealing to help someone isn't. People who are greedy with their own money are bad enough, people who are greedy with other people's money are even worse.
Some call it theft, others call it redistribution of wealth. I am completely in favour of stripping Madonna of her excess billions if it ends poverty and suffering in Africa.
 
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I am completely in favour of stripping Madonna of her excess billions if it ends poverty and suffering in Africa.

Would you be completely in favor of people stripping you of all your money to end poverty for a few people?

If you want to blame Madonna for her excess millions perhaps you should blame everyone that decided to give her those millions as well.
 
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Would you be completely in favor of people stripping you of all your money to end poverty for a few people?
In Chile the Government sold ALL the country's water resources to private owners. Every lake and river, and pond belongs to private companies. The result is that people have to pay incredibly expensive prices for water!

This is what the Libertarians want to do to your country. Only they do not intend to stop there; They want to do what Chile did with the water resources, with every single thing that can be sold.

In Greece when daycare centres and highway toll posts were privatised, the price of the service shot sky high! Municipal run day care centres = 30 Euros per month per child. After privatisation: Private day care centres = 200-300 Euros per month per child!

We as a Party of CF are not willing to allow such greed to bleed our people,

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
 
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Would you be completely in favor of people stripping you of all your money to end poverty for a few people?
If it ended all suffering, yes. If I had excessive amounts of cash, yes.
But I never said we should strip Madonna of all her wealth and reduce her to the poverty we're trying to solve - I explicitly said excess wealth. There's nothing wrong with living comfortably.

If you want to blame Madonna for her excess millions perhaps you should blame everyone that decided to give her those millions as well.
I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply saying I'd rather Madonna's excess billions be redistributed to end poverty and suffering in Africa, to the extent that 'theft' (aka, taxation) would be justified.
 
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The Social Equality and Justice Party wants the government to have monopoly control over these resources. Corrupt governments that have such control will then use it to sell to private people, this is what the Social Equality and Justice Party wants.
 
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The Social Equality and Justice Party wants the government to have monopoly control over these resources. Corrupt governments that have such control will then use it to sell to private people, this is what the Social Equality and Justice Party wants.

What is "the government"?

I agree that legal representatives of the people are not automatically better than private holders of a natural monopoly, but ideally speaking, democratic controls will enable the people to get rid of corrupt officials, whereas private owners cannot be reined in at all. They dictate the price, and that's it.

While we're at it, I propose that we introduce a greater measure of truly democratic structures into the way we govern ourselves. It just won't do to vote every four years for one of two possible candidates, and then watch for that whole period without any way of influencing decisions directly.
Instead of letting lobbyists control the day-to-day workings of our administrative institutions, I propose that we break up as many power monopolies as possible. Decentralization is essential, for else some corrupt official who's never set foot in a community can determine its fate with a flick of his pen.

And with our communication technology, things have changed profoundly, anyway. Most of our administrations are still built around structures that were necessary back in the day when news traveled slowly.
 
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Not exactly. Market controls will enable people to get rid of greedy companies. If prices are not fair then you can "vote" by not buying them. They may dictate the price but you dictate whether or not they get the price they ask for. If the price is too high people won't but it. You vote with your bank account.

When there is competition there are other choices. Companies have to be competitive otherwise they will go out of business. Monopoly of resources, which government control is, limits choice.


I agree that we should decentralize.
 
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This has been proven not true. Companies form cartels whereby they all agree to hike prices and there is nothing one can do about it. This leaves the consumer no choice but to buy at whatever price the cartels have set.

Libertarian free market style capitalism has not only failed but is the root cause of the global economic crisis.

We will introduce regulation back into the banking industry and monopolies and cartels will be dealt with fines such as to force them to stop their greedy activities.

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
 
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Ar Cosc, what happens if there is a tie?

Well, after the polls close, all the parties are welcome to try and form a coalition, if no party has an overall majority. The chances of there being a dead heat with all the permutations of different coalition parties there are are pretty slim, and usually, one of the smaller parties on one side will be willing to do a deal with the other, to get some influence in government.
 
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This has been proven not true. Companies form cartels whereby they all agree to hike prices and there is nothing one can do about it. This leaves the consumer no choice but to buy at whatever price the cartels have set.

Sure there is a choice. Don't buy it or start your own company and sell it at a reasonable price.


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