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PS: Is Born-to-Watch a new avatar for Monarchist/Two Cents/Gilly, or is that level of venom common among Australian christians frequenting this forum?
Ok well I personally do not count One Nation as a christian party although individual members may be or may claim to be christian. I see that kind of thing all the time and it most certainly is not limited to christians. My opinion is that far too often the name of christianity is used by people who have no connection to faith in Jesus. A good example is pretty much every politician used to always claim to be a member of a church. However the majority of them never set foot in a church for regular services. That contributes to christianity being dragged through the mud. All I can do is try to be the best example I can.Hello TheDag
It has popped through my electronic mail slot in two forms to date, one trying to scare me with all caps and ranting about mosques, and another version trying to play on my fondness for school Easter parades, which I think is the form cited in the original thread about the campaign on this forum, which went missing.
The text varies, but is essentially:
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The all caps version appeared on the One Nation Party WA website, but they appear to have taken it down since someoned pointed out to them that providing false information on the census is illegal, as is encouraging other people to do so.
Similar themes have been expressed in the letters sections of my local newspapers, though whether this is a concerted campaign of misinformation or independent acts of lying an hypocrisy is unclear.
Cheerio
Matt
PS: Is Born-to-Watch a new avatar for Monarchist/Two Cents/Gilly, or is that level of venom common among Australian christians frequenting this forum?
I asked you for proof because you made the claim. Even if he did say lying is wrong that is still not demanding that people follow his morales. So you still have not backed up your claim.Dags,
In buskers original post on the original thread he stated it was wrong to lie.
Simple.
Dags go ask Busker what he said.
Whats up busker?
Dont you like being challenged?
Dont you like the gospel message?
Dislike being called out by others?
I get the feeling you expect everybody everywhere to fawn over your every word, that you have an expectation that you are correct in everything you say. Wrong Busker.
Why does an atheist come to a Christian web site to preach?
I asked you for proof because you made the claim. Even if he did say lying is wrong that is still not demanding that people follow his morales. So you still have not backed up your claim.
In all my dealings with busker on this forum he has never once demanded I change to his views. He has tried to convince me of his views on matters which is fine. That is not demanding anything though.
I don't mind being challenged. I don't find you challenging, just unpleasant.
No. I find it inconsistent, prejudiced and unnecessarily divisive.
Since you're calling me on things I haven't done, I don't have a problem with dealing with your accusations. Your attempts at villification are very similar to the disingenuous messages I've been receiving telling me to tick christian on the census.
No, but I expect to be treated with civility and to have my rights as a citizen of Australia respected. That's all I have ever asked for on this forum, and I've copped a lot of abuse for that. Did you formerly post on this forum as Monarchist?
To ask why christians are lying and calling on others to lie in ways that could affect our community.
I don't care what you believe, I just want your beliefs kept out of my life and the lives of the people I care about.
You seem to want to inflict your beliefs on me, so it's your position that's causing the friction, BTW.
I could be wrong but I think Busker more has a problem with certain christians behaviour than Jesus.As, obviously I find your moral stance.
Tell me Busker what do you hate about Jesus?
Well if you wanted a nice section in the Aus/NZ forum you should have been here over five years ago. Many of those people left because of the politics within the way CF operates. Things were much more peaceful then and there were non-believers here as well.I never sent you a message. I received that email from atheists coincidentally, maybe they were agnostics, who can tell the difference.
Vilification, you poor oppressed person. So tell me, are you feeling vilified because you are being questioned on your moral standard. How interesting.
I feel vilified on a Christian forum because of the atheist antagonism.
Who is stopping you from doing that??? I have never had anyone come into my house and tell me what I can and can't teach my child. So who is coming into your house and stopping you from believing????You come here to question us and/or me, and I question you, well, more to counter the atheist preaching. As I see it.
Tell me busker, Argy, BB, et all. Why cant you allow me and my friends and family to believe and teach creation. Does it hurt, kill, damage.
You are welcome to believe and preach evolution, thats fine.
Why cant I do what I want.
Looks like I am just not as sensitive doesnt it.
He hasn't so far denied anyone their choice. He is asking to be allowed his choice. He is asking others to not lie but in no way forcing or demanding.My favorite word, Evidence.
Do you think Christians are perfect busker, thats silly and sad. Of course its wrong to lie but you would deny others their free choice.
Thats a very evil thing to say busker.
Um no he asked a question and called on others. When calling on others to do something it is not forcing.See Dags, there busker is telling people not to lie. That Dags is taking away free choice. The choice to lie or not.
Even Christians have that right from God. Busker is being a dictator
Yes you are at a christian forum which specifically has areas for non-christians and they are welcome to post. If you think they are breaking the rules then report them. Easy done. Remember just being a non-christian and posting is not against the rules. It is encouraged!You seem to want to inflict your beliefs on me, so it's your position that's causing the friction, Busker
Its a Christian forum, I am not at an atheist forum.
I was once at the Dawkins forum but I was banned because as much as they liked to attack, they couldnt defend. Just like somebody else.
Yea Busker I am happy to cause contention with an atheist or many atheists, friction if you will.
and if I ask Busker and he says he didn't then what???? All I can go on is what he has said that is visible. My past dealings with him and also your continuous (possibly deliberate) misunderstanding. I have used dictionary definitions to show this yet you still make the same claims. I have shown evidence you have not.Unfortunately Dags the thread has gone, so I cant.
As I stated, go ask busker.
I could be wrong but I think Busker more has a problem with certain christians behaviour than Jesus.
Well if you wanted a nice section in the Aus/NZ forum you should have been here over five years ago. Many of those people left because of the politics within the way CF operates. Things were much more peaceful then and there were non-believers here as well.
Who is stopping you from doing that??? I have never had anyone come into my house and tell me what I can and can't teach my child. So who is coming into your house and stopping you from believing????
Go read what he stated and ponder what he wants.He hasn't so far denied anyone their choice. He is asking to be allowed his choice. He is asking others to not lie but in no way forcing or demanding.
Um no he asked a question and called on others. When calling on others to do something it is not forcing.
Yes you are at a christian forum which specifically has areas for non-christians and they are welcome to post. If you think they are breaking the rules then report them. Easy done. Remember just being a non-christian and posting is not against the rules. It is encouraged!
and if I ask Busker and he says he didn't then what???? All I can go on is what he has said that is visible. My past dealings with him and also your continuous (possibly deliberate) misunderstanding. I have used dictionary definitions to show this yet you still make the same claims. I have shown evidence you have not.
See I think Busker hates Jesus, but hey go put words in his mouth.
Where do you get that from? Seems to me that you consider anyone who disagrees with you to be a Jesus hater. Hate is a very strong emotion and I haven't seen any reason for you to accuse anyone of it. "I enjoy being hated" - I doubt very much many people could be bothered expending the energy needed to hate you and they certainly wouldn't do it because of your beliefs.You know Dags I think busker hates principled opinionated Christians....You know what else Dags, I enjoy being hated for Jesus, for being uncompromising.
So he is not taking away your right to teach your kids what you want like you claimed. If he was then you would not be teaching them creation at all would you. I did see Busker say believe what you want but don't try to force your beliefs on him. I see no problem with that. Witnessing is not about forcing a belief on anybody.No Dags Go read Buskers original post attacking me. He accused me of saying I denied him that right.
He, you and anyone can believe what ever you like. I will teach my 7 home schooled children creation, show them the evidence and teach them that the pseudo science of evolution is a lie.
I am fine with that.
Even with all the disagreements I've had with busker I have never had him demand I change my thinking. He has challenged my thinking which is not the same as demanding.Read the underlying demand Dags, read what he wants. He wants Christians and atheists to conform to his (buskers) will, while denying accepting anything from any Christians here.
I never claimed you said anybody was breaking the rules. However your pointing out that this site is called christian forums and he is an athiest seemed to be suggesting he was not welcome based on him being an athiest.Breaking the rules, did I say that??
I said I would challenge his atheistic preachings. I didnt say he broke the rules at all, anywhere.
I know he is welcome here, very conscious of that. Would you like me to nod my head and agree with everything our lovely atheist friends want or say?
Deny Jesus cos Busker states Jesus is fictional? Surely that would make him more welcome.
time that could be better spent. Of course you have not answered my question. What if he says he didn't? It would be his word against your word with no proof all the same. We would just be back at square one. Unless you have been hacking my CF account you can't know what private communications go on between Busker and myself so you should not make such claims without the proof.Not much, though you havnt asked him. We know he said he wasnt a liar, what have you to lose Dags, ask him.
Yeah because that was the approach taken by Jesus who sat down and ate & drank with people. A couple of times such as turning over the tables in the temple were the exceptions. When Jesus was on trial by those who hated him did he respond with aggression? Nope he basically said nothing. Also what did Paul do when he saw idols and alters to false gods? Did he condemn them or did he speak to them and say Hey you guys are obviously spiritual so let me tell you about this unknown god you have an alter for. Where is the aggressive confrontation?You know Dags I think busker hates principled opinionated Christians and finds solace in the luke warm Christians.
You know what else Dags, I enjoy being hated for Jesus, for being uncompromising.
You tell me what part of the bible gives definitions basically every single word and I'll use it. Until then I will use the dictionary to provide definitions of words.If you as a Christian want to correct me, how about using the bible.
I cant argue with Gods word.
I agree honesty is a holy and wonderful position, I just asked what you based this moral standard on.
I am sure you would happily encourage dishonesty if your position was tenuous, not saying you would, just saying I think you would.
I think its hypocritical that somebody with no base moral standards is calling for his own moral standard to be accepted by everyone else.
Your reasons are selfish, you hate the gospel and you demand others to be honest to further your Jesus hate campaign. It is evident by you being here.
Your moral stand is based on YOU furthering your agenda, Thats it.
Come on WLB, its obvious.
proof pleaseThe sole reason Busker told atheists to not mark Christian on the census was because he hates Christianity, it was not because of any moral stance he has. Not only is it hypocritical, he manipulated the teachings of Jesus to suit his agenda.
Go ahead and deny it Busker?
I'm asking you because you are the one making the claims.Uhm, You know Dags. Busker is here arguing, fighting and causing dissension and he hates Christianity, he hates religion and he hates what Jesus stands for.
Funniest thing Dags is you are asking me! Whats with that? Why ask me Dags, why havnt you the courage to ask Busker directly.
I actually believe Busker will be honest, and if I am wrong about Busker I will stand corrected.
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