Cavemen and Dinosaurs

Lindros09 · Jan 8, 2011

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place but here it goes.

Well I can't seem to find an answer to this. I understand that Dinosaurs existed with adam and eve and there were some in noahs ark. After that some Dinosaurs became extinct, ok I get that. But what about cavemen? What about the paintings of horses and buffalo I am learning about in school? I was thinking that maybe Noahs descendants were forced to live in caves because of the destruction and what not but how do you explain there not being and words written on walls only images?

laconicstudent · Jan 8, 2011

Lindros09 said:
Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place but here it goes.

Well I can't seem to find an answer to this. I understand that Dinosaurs existed with adam and eve and there were some in noahs ark. After that some Dinosaurs became extinct, ok I get that. But what about cavemen? What about the paintings of horses and buffalo I am learning about in school? I was thinking that maybe Noahs descendants were forced to live in caves because of the destruction and what not but how do you explain there not being and words written on walls only images?

Um, that is because humans and dinosaurs did not coexist. Millions of years before the origin of hominids, a meteorite crashed into the Yucatan peninsula, and the resulting ice age wiped out those species.

Dinosaurs did most definitely not exist with Adam and Eve and were assuredly not on the ark.

Lindros09 · Jan 8, 2011

Look I believe that they did coexist for many reasons but that is not my question.

CryptoLutheran · Jan 9, 2011

The issue of "cavemen" becomes somewhat moot if one rejects what the scientific evidence suggests vis-a-vis natural history doesn't it?

The cave paintings in places like Lascaux predate Ussher's dating of the Flood by nearly 15,000 years, which even if the biblical Flood story were historical and did take place when Ussher and Young Earth Creationists think it did, the paleolithic cave paintings we find are far too old to have been painted by Noah or his descendants; unless one pushes the Flood back to paleolithic times.

-CryptoLutheran

laconicstudent · Jan 9, 2011

Lindros09 said:
Look I believe that they did coexist for many reasons but that is not my question.

Okay, the answer to your question is that said cave paintings pre-dates the origin of the first non-pictographic language by several thousand years. The cave paintings were done by people who lived tens of thousands of years before Noah.

Chesterton · Jan 9, 2011

"Caveman" is not a scientific word, and it may not correspond to anything in reality. That we find paintings or artifacts in caves is not evidence that we generally lived in caves.

Jpark · Jan 9, 2011

laconicstudent said:
Dinosaurs did most definitely not exist with Adam and Eve...

If Gen. 3:14 is literal and indicates the immediate loss of legs of every serpent, then dinosaurs could have coexisted with Adam and Eve. Ancient snakes that had legs lived around 90 mya. The fall of man could have happened in the Late Cretaceous period and the Flood could have happened in the Paleogene period, in which we see the emergence of mammals and birds.

Hairy Tic · Jan 10, 2011

Jpark said:
If Gen. 3:14 is literal and indicates the immediate loss of legs of every serpent, then dinosaurs could have coexisted with Adam and Eve. Ancient snakes that had legs lived around 90 mya. The fall of man could have happened in the Late Cretaceous period and the Flood could have happened in the Paleogene period, in which we see the emergence of mammals and birds.

## Which leaves tens of millions of years between Adam & Abraham - which makes a complete train-wreck of the dating in Genesis. Which is a nice example of preserving the truth of the text at one point, only at the cost of sacrificing its truth at another.

And for what ? For making sure the dinos entered the ark. But why could they not have died out by then ? That would not require any change in the dating given in Genesis. Or is it for them to survive so that they can be mentioned in Job ?

MacNeil, D. · Jan 10, 2011

Lindros09 said:
Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place but here it goes.

Well I can't seem to find an answer to this. I understand that Dinosaurs existed with adam and eve and there were some in noahs ark....

Welcome to school.

Jpark · Jan 11, 2011

Hairy Tic said:
And for what ? For making sure the dinos entered the ark. But why could they not have died out by then ? That would not require any change in the dating given in Genesis. Or is it for them to survive so that they can be mentioned in Job ?

I said that the Flood would have happened in the Paleogene period. That doesn't leave room for dinosaurs boarding the Ark. In fact, I believe the Flood happened sometime after the mass extinction event.

And no, the animals described in Job are not dinosaurs. Surely they could not have lived that long.

Jig · Jan 12, 2011

Lindros09 said:
Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place but here it goes.

Well I can't seem to find an answer to this. I understand that Dinosaurs existed with adam and eve and there were some in noahs ark. After that some Dinosaurs became extinct, ok I get that. But what about cavemen? What about the paintings of horses and buffalo I am learning about in school? I was thinking that maybe Noahs descendants were forced to live in caves because of the destruction and what not but how do you explain there not being and words written on walls only images?

Babel.

Hairy Tic · Jan 12, 2011

Jpark said:
I said that the Flood would have happened in the Paleogene period. That doesn't leave room for dinosaurs boarding the Ark. In fact, I believe the Flood happened sometime after the mass extinction event.

And no, the animals described in Job are not dinosaurs. Surely they could not have lived that long.

## I mentioned both positions, and not just the former, because I've come across both. Leviathan is sometimes equated with a dinosaur of some kind:

Leviathan Sea Dwelling aquatic reptiles Dinosaurs in the book of Job Leviathan dinosaur bible kronosaur plesiosuar

Are Dinosaurs in the Bible? Behemoth Dinosaur Creation Evolution

OTOH:

Welcome! - Stupid Dinosaur Lies DEBUNKED!!

Jpark · Jan 16, 2011

Hairy Tic said:
Welcome! - Stupid Dinosaur Lies DEBUNKED!!

No need to link me to that. I don't believe that the animals mentioned in Job 40-41 are dinosaurs.

Studious One · Jan 16, 2011

No one lived tens of thousands of years before the flood.

Scripture is clear, the earth, the heavens, the seas, and all that in them is were created in 6 days. Not millions of years, but six days.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The cave paintings cannot be older than the first day of creation, for we read in God's Word that everything that is in the earth was created within the six day creation period.

Jpark · Jan 16, 2011

Studious One said:
No one lived tens of thousands of years before the flood.

Scripture is clear, the earth, the heavens, the seas, and all that in them is were created in 6 days. Not millions of years, but six days.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The cave paintings cannot be older than the first day of creation, for we read in God's Word that everything that is in the earth was created within the six day creation period.

When I say that the fall may have happened millions of years ago, I'm saying that it happened sometime around the time when snakes had legs.

I suppose it would have been better if I had said, "according to history and the Bible, the fall of man would have been millions of years according to the geologic time scale".

Studious One · Jan 16, 2011

Jpark said:
When I say that the fall may have happened millions of years ago, I'm saying that it happened sometime around the time when snakes had legs.

I suppose it would have been better if I had said, "according to history and the Bible, the fall of man would have been millions of years according to the geologic time scale".

Millions of years isn't even close. If one takes time to trace the timeline of the Bible, one can trace Adam to approximately 6,000 years ago. Adam was created only 5 days after the earth was created.

The earth is not millions of years old.

chiwawa · Jan 17, 2011

Studious One said:
Millions of years isn't even close. If one takes time to trace the timeline of the Bible, one can trace Adam to approximately 6,000 years ago. Adam was created only 5 days after the earth was created.

The earth is not millions of years old.

this is a bold statement. To believe the earth is only 6000 years old is comparable to believing the earth is flat. There's countless evidence that the earth has existed for billions of years.

Jig · Jan 17, 2011

chiwawa said:
this is a bold statement. To believe the earth is only 6000 years old is comparable to believing the earth is flat. There's countless evidence that the earth has existed for billions of years.

You mean there is evidence that can be interpreted to say the Earth existed for billions of years.

We all have the same pool of evidence to observe, test, and study. Evidence does not speak for itself. Depending on our philosophical foundations and worldview our interpretations will differ.

I for one believe God created a mature Earth, much in the same way He created Adam fully mature within only one day.

chiwawa · Jan 17, 2011

Jig said:
You mean there is evidence that can be interpreted to say the Earth existed for billions of years.

We all have the same pool of evidence to observe, test, and study. Evidence does not speak for itself. Depending on our philosophical foundations and worldview our interpretations will differ.

I for one believe God created a mature Earth, much in the same way He created Adam fully mature within only one day.

It is true that our philosophical perspective affects how we interpret evidence. But if we assume that science accurately describes the world we live in, then we must believe that evidence provided from the scientific method is accurate.

so in that case, there is an overwhelming amount of scientific evidence that the earth had a very long history to its point in time now, which took billions of years of geological processes.

to say this is false, is to say a whole branch of science (geology and archeology) is flawed. And it is bold to say that one branch is flawed, and other branches (like physics or chemistry) are not flawed, since they all follow the same method in the end.

CryptoLutheran · Jan 25, 2011

Studious One said:
Millions of years isn't even close. If one takes time to trace the timeline of the Bible, one can trace Adam to approximately 6,000 years ago. Adam was created only 5 days after the earth was created.

The earth is not millions of years old.

As long as we're taking Genesis 1 so literally, I'm still trying to figure out where the heck the primordial waters came from before the first day of creation.

Oh right, it's not meant to be taken literally, it's a theological polemic that asserts the orderliness of God's creative act over against the chaos of other near eastern creation mythologies.

-CryptoLutheran

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