Catholic view of the end-times

[MoNiCa4316]

I see that on our profiles at CF, we get to choose our 'endtimes' views. Which one is Catholic? I'm having some trouble figuring it out...

I know that the Church teaches Amilleninialism - which I put in bold. What about the other ones? Is it... historic, preterist, or futurist? Pretribulation, midtribulationm, posttribulation? hmm...

aren't we partial preterists?? (but here they don't make the distinction between 'full' and 'partial')

what about the tribulation? Does the Church teach that we'll be here for that - no rapture.. right?

So many names LOL

"Choose options that best describes your beliefs regarding endtimes.
Historic
Preterist
Futurist

Amillennialism
Premillennialism
Postmillennialism

Pretribulation
Midtribulation
Posttribulation"

 

[Rois]

I am overwhelmingly confused about all of those!

 

[QuantaCura]

Definitely amillenial. Also, there will definitely be a Second Coming. I think other than that, there's some room for differing interpretations. I don't think we are required to believe certain portions of Rev. already happened, etc.

 

[kisstheson]

Definitely amillenial. Also, there will definitely be a Second Coming. I think other than that, there's some room for differing interpretations. I don't think we are required to believe certain portions of Rev. already happened, etc.

Hurrah!!!

What's
Amillennialism

 

[Archangelus]

What do any of those words mean?

 

[polishbeast]

I havent heard of most of those. A bit to big to be used in my normal vocabulary

 

[Rhamiel]

Hurrah!!!

What's
Amillennialism

that the thousand year reign of Christ is right now
the "thousand years" is symbolic and Christs reign is the Christian Church

 

[Rhamiel]

I never heard any of these words before i started talking to Protestants

 

[parousia70]

I see that on our profiles at CF, we get to choose our 'endtimes' views. Which one is Catholic? I'm having some trouble figuring it out...

We're having a similar discussion on another OBOB thread.

Two excellent resources fo Catholic End time teachings are Dr Scott Hahn and James Akin.

Mr Akin says this:
"This leaves us with the question of how the Church interprets the book of Revelation and other prophetic passages of Scripture. Here matters are much less clear. Although the Church does discern the outlines of how the end of the world will occur, it does not have specific teachings about the interpretations of most passages of Scripture, the prophetic ones included. Catholic Bible scholars are free to interpret these passages in the way they think the evidence best supports, as long as they do not violate Church teaching in doing so. There is thus considerable liberty for Catholics in how to regard particular Bible verses."
http://www.catholic.com/library/false_profit.asp


Both Dr Hahn, and Mr Akin, as I read them, are very strong partial preterists, assigning PRIMARY application of "the Bulk" of Revelation and the Olivet discourse to 1st Century events, while typologically pointing to the Future creedal consummation.

I tend to agree with them both.

 

[kisstheson]

that the thousand year reign of Christ is right now
the "thousand years" is symbolic and Christs reign is the Christian Church

So you don't believe he's literally coing to jerusalem to set up his kingdom on earth for a thousand years? Awww shucks! I was hoping I could hang out in galilee with him. maaaaan...

 

[Rhamiel]

So you don't believe he's literally coing to jerusalem to set up his kingdom on earth for a thousand years? Awww shucks! I was hoping I could hang out in galilee with him. maaaaan...

you can, when He comes agian

 

[Secundulus]

This is what the Catechism says about the end times.

The Church's ultimate trial
675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

 

[Rhamiel]

This is what the Catechism says about the end times.

The Church's ultimate trial
675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

wow thank you for posting this
I had no idea that the Church took such a clear view about the end times, before this everything I heard was very vague and unclear, I know that this is not very detailed compared to some Protestant views of the End Times, but it is still more clear then anything I ever heard from the Catholic Church before

 

[kisstheson]

you can, when He comes agian

 

[InTheCloud]

The Catholic Church teachins on Revelations are:

Preterist, most of the things in the Books of Revelations happened in the 1 Century AD.
Amilennial. Jesus is KING in the Heavenly Jerusalem right now.

Posttribulation, Jesus will met the Saints and the resurrected dead for the final judment at the end of the tribulation.

 

[JoabAnias]

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Eschatology
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: General Judgment (Last Judgment)
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Millennium and Millenarianism

5.1 Amillennial

Amillennialism

Amillennialism (Latin: a- "against" + millenialism) is a view in Christian eschatology named for its rejection of a claimed future, thousand-year, physical reign of Jesus Christ on the earth, in opposition to premillennial and some postmillennial views of the Book of Revelation,

I subscribe to Amillenialism with the Church but I am mostly a "panmillenialist."

 

[Laus_Deo]

The Catholic Church teachins on Revelations are:

Preterist, most of the things in the Books of Revelations happened in the 1 Century AD.
Amilennial. Jesus is KING in the Heavenly Jerusalem right now.

Posttribulation, Jesus will met the Saints and the resurrected dead for the final judment at the end of the tribulation.

the correct term for us in Partial preterists.
Preterists (full preterests) believe Christ's second coming was in 70AD, the millenium is over, and that all of Revelation is past tense.
Yes we are amil.

 

[zhilan]

I don't even know what any of those mean. =\

 

[Rhamiel]

Amilinial means that there is no literal 1,000 year reign of Christ before the end of time

 

[Lady Bug]

Rhamiel that would mean that the Catholic Church does not believe in the Rapture, right?