One item
if you really want to see what this is about,
Beth Shean, the original intended name for the occult 'recovery' forum.
Everyone asking and participating has been told that Beth Shean, the originally intended name for the occult recovery forum, meant
specifically "House of refuge".
Also several of us had serious questions concerning the methodology and design of the forum, and we were brushed off.
Pointing out that many
questions were avoided and that the given definition was incorrect, it was strongly stated that i was misleading this entire board
I hereby accept what i perceive to be a strong challenge to my claims and i begin with this. I happily invite all comers.
a brief lesson in the
Hebrew
You as a board and as christians, are being told that
beth shean can literally mean
house of refuge. You are not being told entirely right, and whether by accident or not, this
is not only a misleading definition, it is entirely incorrect and below I present the evidence.
I have been charged with misleading and fearmongering, and this
information is intended to set these matters straight.
Beth She'an is correctly represented in several variations
Beth-Shean
Beth She'an
Beit Shon
Bet Shon
Notice it is not one word but in fact 2 words, 'beth' and 'shean'
"Beth", the FIRST word, literally means
'house of', or
'family of', or
'city of',
which IS a refuge.
If what they are telling you is true, then
"shean" must therefore in fact mean "refuge" in the Hebrew...
It doesn't. This link will take you to the strongs page listing every word in the hebrew which is used to translate into "Refuge" and you'll note
it's nothing close...
http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strong...isindex=refuge
Now what is the TRUE definition of
Beth Shean? 3 fast links:
http://www.hissheep.org/books/bible_names.htm
Bethshan, Beth-shean,
house of the tooth, or of ivory, or of sleep
http://www.christianhospitality.org/.../EAS_DICT.html
BETH occurs frequently as the appellation for a house, or dwelling-place,
in such compounds as the words immediately following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Biblical_names#S
Bethshan, Beth-shean, house of the tooth, or of ivory, or of sleep
Here it is from Strongs concordance
8127 shen shane from 8150; a tooth (as sharp); specifically (for 8143) ivory; figuratively, a cliff:--crag, X forefront, ivory, X sharp, tooth.
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8128 shen shane (Aramaic) corresponding to 8127; a tooth:--tooth.
Root words
Result of search for "8150":
8127 shen shane from 8150; a tooth (as sharp); specifically (for 8143) ivory; figuratively, a cliff:--crag, X forefront, ivory, X sharp, tooth.
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8148 shniynah shen-ee-naw' from 8150; something pointed, i.e. a gibe:--byword, taunt.
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8150 shanan shaw-nan' a primitive root; to point (transitive or intransitive); intensively, to pierce; figuratively, to inculcate:--prick, sharp(-en), teach diligently, whet
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Next we go to this paper, JimfromOhio provided a background for the man that offers this...
Originally Posted by JimfromOhio
Allen P. Ross is professor of Divinity at Beeson Divinity School, Stamford University, Birmingham, Alabama. His articles have appeared in Biblical Viewpoint, BibliothecaSacra, and Kindred Spirit, and he has contributed to the BIBLE KNOWLEDGE COMMENTARY, the CHRISTIAN LIFE BIBLE, and the BIBLICAL HEBREW HANDBOOK. His translating and editing skills were also put to use in the TOPICAL REFERENCE BIBLE project and THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible. Ross taught at The Graduate School of Bob Jones University between 1969 and 1971 after which he began teaching at Dallas Theological Seminary. He earned his B.A. from Bob Jones University, after which he studied at Winona Lake School of Theology. He earned his Th.M. and Th.D. from Dallas Theological Seminary, and his Ph.D. from St. Johns College of Cambridge University.
Originally Posted by Time2BCounted
Historical Overview
Bet Shean was one of the most strategic cities of ancient Canaan. It stood at the eastern end of the Jezreel Valley guarding an important crossing of the Jordan River; it also lay at the junction of two important trade routes, one leading north to Damascus and the other leading from the Jezreel Valley east to Gilead. The richness of the area no doubt had attracted settlers to the region for millennia; the Jewish sages used to say, If the Garden of Eden is in the land of Israel, then its gate is at Beth-Shean.
The name remains an enigma. Early Egyptian references use a determinative to indicate that Shean (Hebrew s-n or s-'-n) referred to a deity. Later Egyptian stele refer to the city as the domain of the great god Mekal. Noth suggested an etymological connection with the Semitic word n-kh-sh meaning serpent, or to the name of a Sumerian snake-deity shakhan. Albright compared it with she,ol, but made no strong suggestion. The discovery of clay figurines of snakes with female breasts, and of pottery shrines with snakes attached (these are in the museum in Jerusalem) is not enough to suggest an etymology for the name of a serpent god. We must be satisfied that it was named as a seat of a deity whose nature shean should reveal.
And 'shean' is shown not to reveal that it means "refuge" in itself, but rather beth shean implies a refuge for the 'tooth', and the etymology of this word,
I have evidence of, is inclusive of the serpents that they worshipped in the temple at beth shean. Satan is recognized as the great red dragon, and 'that serpent' in the scriptures. Other words cousin to it in etymology include the following..
Lashown (H3956) law-shone'; also (in plur.) fem. from 3960; the tongue (of man or anmals), used
literally. (as the instrument of licking, eating, of speech), and
figurative. (speech, an ingot, a fork of flame, a cove or water): - babbler, bay, / evil speaker, language, talker, tongue, wedge
lashan (h3960) law-shan'; a prim. root; prop. to lick; but used only as a denom. from 3956;
to wag the tongue, i. e. to calumniate: - accuse, slander.
All of these connotations are evil in their usage. Note most especially 'lashon' which IS IN FACT a title of satan as 'The Accuser'
We also have Shephuphan, or serpent
Consider what you may be sheltering here
One additional link by the way....
There were some who tried to scoff at
'blessed be' being toted about by so many supporters of the recovery forum. Some may have been discouraged to the point of not even checking,.. fast link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLESSED-BE-PEN...mZ140165842094
That place needs major reform and imho thats what this silencing technique is all about.
FRick feel free to meet me in debate if you have anything to say to this, and if you can't meet me to debate it I dont expect a response to this here just talking...
i expect honor and facing these issues and dont just brush them off saying you wont answer, only to tell us its none of our business as you did when we asked you the first time.
We who are conservative want our forum back and we want strongarm tactics to stop. As much as we hear you preach love and compassion surely you can spare your brothers and sisters in Christ a little of the same.
That place needs major reform
I frankly believe this is the real reason behind the actions presently being taken against me.
