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<blockquote data-quote="Agonaces of Susa" data-source="post: 57299588" data-attributes="member: 253233"><p>The human hand was an invention?</p><p></p><p>I agree. The human hand was invented by God.</p><p></p><p>No; they don't. Name one Ionian invention.</p><p></p><p>And he is very very wrong to do so. Carl Sagan's revisionist mythology is prejudiced by evolutionist dogma and blatant ignorance of Egyptian and Babylonian science. In actual reality, Egyptians and Babylonians were practicing science before there was a Greek alphabet. For example, Imhotep aka Vizier Joseph, was practicing the science of neurosurgery among other things in the time of Pharaoh Djoser I.</p><p></p><p>Fielding J.W., <a href="http://www.ejbjs.org/cgi/reprint/70/10/1571.pdf" target="_blank">The Status of Arthrodesis of the Cervical Spine</a>, The Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery of America, Number 70, Pages 1571-1574, 1988<p style="margin-left: 20px">Probably the first reference to a surgical procedure performed on the cervical spine is found in the Edwin Smith Papyrus, which dates to the reign of Pharaoh Djoser (2686 to 2613 B.C.), the second Pharaoh of the Third Dynasty. This amazing document, more than 4,000 years old, currently the property of the New York Academy of Medicine, is attributed to Imhotep Vizer. With incredible accuracy, considering the time when the document was written. The author identified cervical sprains, vertebral displacements and dislocations, and even levels of damage to the spinal cord.</p><p>I don't believe in human inventions so yes they would have to be miraculous!</p><p></p><p>As it is written:</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us</strong>." -- Ecclesiastes 1:10</p><p></p><p>And Sagan is very very wrong. </p><p></p><p>"<strong>He [Thales] held the sun and the planets for Gods</strong>. And in the same sense Pythagoras, on account of its immense force of attraction, said that the Sun was a prison of Zeus, that is, a body possessed of the greatest circuits." -- Isaac Newton, mathematician, 1690</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Again, it is said that he [Thales] regarded God as the intellect (or mind) of the universe and thought the whole to be animate (endowed with soul) and full of deities</strong>." -- Erwin Schrodinger, physicist, Nature and the Gods, 1954</p><p> </p><p>In fact Thales and Pythagoras learned everything they knew from Egyptians including Moses the Phoenician law-giver.</p><p></p><p>The real pioneers of science would be the Egyptians and the Babylonians.</p><p></p><p>"Witness to this also are the wisest of the Greeks: Solon, <strong>Thales</strong>, Plato, Eudoxus, Pythagoras, <strong>who came to Egypt and consorted with the priests</strong>; and in this number some would include Lycurgus also. Eudoxus, they say, received instruction from Chonuphis of Memphis, Solon from Sonchis of Sais, and Pythagoras from Oenuphis of Heliopolis." -- Plutarch, historian, Ethika, 1st century </p><p></p><p>"<strong>Thales was a Phoenician by birth, and was said to have consorted with the prophets of the Egyptians</strong>; as also Pythagoras did with the same persons, by whom he was circumcised, that he might enter the adytum and learn from the Egyptians the mystic philosophy." -- Clement of Alexandria, theologian, Stromata, 2nd century</p><p></p><p>"... <strong>he [Thales] never had any teacher except during the time that he went to Egypt, and associated with the priests</strong>. Hieronymus also says that he measured the Pyramids: watching their shadow, and calculating when they were of the same size as that was." -- Diogenes Laertius, historian, 3rd century</p><p></p><p>"After increasing the reputation Pythagoras had already acquired, by communicating to him the utmost he was able to impart to him, <strong>Thales, laying stress on his advanced age and the infirmities of his body, advised him to go to Egypt, to get in touch with the priests of Memphis and Jupiter</strong>. <strong>Thales confessed that the instruction of these priests was the source of his own reputation for wisdom</strong>, while neither his own endowments nor achievements equaled those which were so evident in Pythagoras. <strong>Thales insisted that, in view of all this, if Pythagoras should study with those priests, he was certain of becoming the wisest and most divine of men</strong>." -- Iamblichus, philosopher, 3rd century</p><p></p><p>"<strong>The Babylonian knowledge, as we shall see, was acquired by Thales</strong>." -- Bertrand Russell, philosopher, A History of Western Philosophy, 1972</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Agonaces of Susa, post: 57299588, member: 253233"] The human hand was an invention? I agree. The human hand was invented by God. No; they don't. Name one Ionian invention. And he is very very wrong to do so. Carl Sagan's revisionist mythology is prejudiced by evolutionist dogma and blatant ignorance of Egyptian and Babylonian science. In actual reality, Egyptians and Babylonians were practicing science before there was a Greek alphabet. For example, Imhotep aka Vizier Joseph, was practicing the science of neurosurgery among other things in the time of Pharaoh Djoser I. Fielding J.W., [URL="http://www.ejbjs.org/cgi/reprint/70/10/1571.pdf"]The Status of Arthrodesis of the Cervical Spine[/URL], The Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery of America, Number 70, Pages 1571-1574, 1988[INDENT]Probably the first reference to a surgical procedure performed on the cervical spine is found in the Edwin Smith Papyrus, which dates to the reign of Pharaoh Djoser (2686 to 2613 B.C.), the second Pharaoh of the Third Dynasty. This amazing document, more than 4,000 years old, currently the property of the New York Academy of Medicine, is attributed to Imhotep Vizer. With incredible accuracy, considering the time when the document was written. The author identified cervical sprains, vertebral displacements and dislocations, and even levels of damage to the spinal cord.[/INDENT]I don't believe in human inventions so yes they would have to be miraculous! As it is written: "[B]Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us[/B]." -- Ecclesiastes 1:10 And Sagan is very very wrong. "[B]He [Thales] held the sun and the planets for Gods[/B]. And in the same sense Pythagoras, on account of its immense force of attraction, said that the Sun was a prison of Zeus, that is, a body possessed of the greatest circuits." -- Isaac Newton, mathematician, 1690 "[B]Again, it is said that he [Thales] regarded God as the intellect (or mind) of the universe and thought the whole to be animate (endowed with soul) and full of deities[/B]." -- Erwin Schrodinger, physicist, Nature and the Gods, 1954 In fact Thales and Pythagoras learned everything they knew from Egyptians including Moses the Phoenician law-giver. The real pioneers of science would be the Egyptians and the Babylonians. "Witness to this also are the wisest of the Greeks: Solon, [B]Thales[/B], Plato, Eudoxus, Pythagoras, [B]who came to Egypt and consorted with the priests[/B]; and in this number some would include Lycurgus also. Eudoxus, they say, received instruction from Chonuphis of Memphis, Solon from Sonchis of Sais, and Pythagoras from Oenuphis of Heliopolis." -- Plutarch, historian, Ethika, 1st century "[B]Thales was a Phoenician by birth, and was said to have consorted with the prophets of the Egyptians[/B]; as also Pythagoras did with the same persons, by whom he was circumcised, that he might enter the adytum and learn from the Egyptians the mystic philosophy." -- Clement of Alexandria, theologian, Stromata, 2nd century "... [B]he [Thales] never had any teacher except during the time that he went to Egypt, and associated with the priests[/B]. Hieronymus also says that he measured the Pyramids: watching their shadow, and calculating when they were of the same size as that was." -- Diogenes Laertius, historian, 3rd century "After increasing the reputation Pythagoras had already acquired, by communicating to him the utmost he was able to impart to him, [B]Thales, laying stress on his advanced age and the infirmities of his body, advised him to go to Egypt, to get in touch with the priests of Memphis and Jupiter[/B]. [B]Thales confessed that the instruction of these priests was the source of his own reputation for wisdom[/B], while neither his own endowments nor achievements equaled those which were so evident in Pythagoras. [B]Thales insisted that, in view of all this, if Pythagoras should study with those priests, he was certain of becoming the wisest and most divine of men[/B]." -- Iamblichus, philosopher, 3rd century "[B]The Babylonian knowledge, as we shall see, was acquired by Thales[/B]." -- Bertrand Russell, philosopher, A History of Western Philosophy, 1972 [/QUOTE]
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