Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
Forums
New posts
Forum list
Search forums
Leaderboards
Games
Our Blog
Blogs
New entries
New comments
Blog list
Search blogs
Credits
Transactions
Shop
Blessings: ✟0.00
Tickets
Open new ticket
Watched
Donate
Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
More options
Toggle width
Share this page
Share this page
Share
Reddit
Pinterest
Tumblr
WhatsApp
Email
Share
Link
Menu
Install the app
Install
Forums
Discussion and Debate
Discussion and Debate
Physical & Life Sciences
Carl Sagan - The Pioneers of Science...
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="lucaspa" data-source="post: 57295816" data-attributes="member: 4882"><p>I am saying there is evidence that a man corresonding to Jesus actually lived. There is non-Christian evidence for the existence of Jesus.</p><p>As much or more than is present for people whose existence we accept. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Let me modify that. There is <strong>extra</strong>biblical evidence. There's no "non-Christian" evidence for divinity. But here we are faced with a Catch-22: anyone accepting evidence for Jesus' divinity is going to be Christian! </p><p> </p><p>Well, wait a minute. That's not true, either, come to think of it. In the Talmud there is the acknowledgement that Jesus performed miracle healing. That would be evidence for divinity. The authors attribute the power to do the healing to "the Ineffable One" and not God, but that is an interpretation of the evidence.</p><p> </p><p>I agree that there is little <em>precedent</em> in the Bible for Jesus in particular. There is precedent in Isaiah that at some point there would be a divine human. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Now we get into another problem. You are saying that the Bible is trustworthy in terms of non-divinity statements. In order to say the Bible is not trustworthy for statements about God, we have to come up with an independent criteria to do that. Otherwise, we are in the position of dismissing evidence for something only because it is evidence for something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lucaspa, post: 57295816, member: 4882"] I am saying there is evidence that a man corresonding to Jesus actually lived. There is non-Christian evidence for the existence of Jesus. As much or more than is present for people whose existence we accept. Let me modify that. There is [B]extra[/B]biblical evidence. There's no "non-Christian" evidence for divinity. But here we are faced with a Catch-22: anyone accepting evidence for Jesus' divinity is going to be Christian! Well, wait a minute. That's not true, either, come to think of it. In the Talmud there is the acknowledgement that Jesus performed miracle healing. That would be evidence for divinity. The authors attribute the power to do the healing to "the Ineffable One" and not God, but that is an interpretation of the evidence. I agree that there is little [I]precedent[/I] in the Bible for Jesus in particular. There is precedent in Isaiah that at some point there would be a divine human. Now we get into another problem. You are saying that the Bible is trustworthy in terms of non-divinity statements. In order to say the Bible is not trustworthy for statements about God, we have to come up with an independent criteria to do that. Otherwise, we are in the position of dismissing evidence for something only because it is evidence for something. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Discussion and Debate
Discussion and Debate
Physical & Life Sciences
Carl Sagan - The Pioneers of Science...
Top
Bottom