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12volt_man said:And when did President Bush respond?
SoupySayles said:After many, many weeks of debating in my mind, I've come to a conclusion about our President: he stinks. Sorry to everyone that I voted for the guy. Politics aside, you just needed to watch Bush when he first hit the ground in Mississippi all 'ums' and 'uhs' to see the guy just isn't leadership material. But its not just that, that was just the straw that broke the camels back. His slander of the Minutemen, super-failure to do anything about our fuel crisis, endorsing renewal of the Patriot Act.......the list goes on. (Iraq isn't really that big a sore point for me, but thats for another topic.) As a Republican who voted for Bush, I feel obligated to continue to support the person I elected, but as a man, I have to call a spade a spade, swallow the pride and agree with what so many -even, God forgive me, Michael Moore-have said: Bush is the wrong man to be President. Now, I'll take all the 'I told you so's' from the Dems and the Left, I've made my bed and I will lie in it so fire away. Voting for Bush was a foolish move on my part, but I'd be even more of a fool if I kept supporting him. The writings on the wall with Bush, how ironic so many of the predominantly Chrisitian GOP can't read it. Just how far into hell are you people going to follow this guy?
BTW, taking down the Elephant icon. Posted this here instead of the GOP forums so non-Repubs could respond if they wanted too without worrying about being reported. I also encourage other Bush supporters to seriously re-think their position and ask themselves if they are just letting pride keep them hanging on. What's he doing thats so great, show me just one thing that he has done that is worthy of the deep devotion and defense he gets? Not being a liberal or a Democrat doesn't seem to quite cut it anymore.
Wow, this thread moved fast! Maybe I'll find time later to come back and help defend 12 volt man, since he's absolutely right and I can't give him more rep.SoupySayles said:After many, many weeks of debating in my mind, I've come to a conclusion about our President: he stinks. Sorry to everyone that I voted for the guy. Politics aside, you just needed to watch Bush when he first hit the ground in Mississippi all 'ums' and 'uhs' to see the guy just isn't leadership material. But its not just that, that was just the straw that broke the camels back. His slander of the Minutemen, super-failure to do anything about our fuel crisis, endorsing renewal of the Patriot Act.......the list goes on. (Iraq isn't really that big a sore point for me, but thats for another topic.) As a Republican who voted for Bush, I feel obligated to continue to support the person I elected, but as a man, I have to call a spade a spade, swallow the pride and agree with what so many -even, God forgive me, Michael Moore-have said: Bush is the wrong man to be President. Now, I'll take all the 'I told you so's' from the Dems and the Left, I've made my bed and I will lie in it so fire away. Voting for Bush was a foolish move on my part, but I'd be even more of a fool if I kept supporting him. The writings on the wall with Bush, how ironic so many of the predominantly Chrisitian GOP can't read it. Just how far into hell are you people going to follow this guy?
BTW, taking down the Elephant icon. Posted this here instead of the GOP forums so non-Repubs could respond if they wanted too without worrying about being reported. I also encourage other Bush supporters to seriously re-think their position and ask themselves if they are just letting pride keep them hanging on. What's he doing thats so great, show me just one thing that he has done that is worthy of the deep devotion and defense he gets? Not being a liberal or a Democrat doesn't seem to quite cut it anymore.
parousia70 said:Please cite your source for the Senate Democrats confirming Brown to the position he just resigned from.
In Fact, Brown was NEVER confirmed by the Senate for His position as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response.
The Homeland Security Act allowed GWB to install him in that position without having to face Senate Confirmation.
DieHappy said:Wow, this thread moved fast! Maybe I'll find time later to come back and help defend 12 volt man, since he's absolutely right and I can't give him more rep.
Bush didn't slander the minute men, he just ignored them. I agree that they need support and Bush needs to do something about our borders, but weigh the good and the bad. Borders and spending, bad. Not being a democrat, good.
What was he supposed to do about the "fuel crisis"? Considering it's not a crisis and any governement body doing anything would just make it worse, what do you suggest? He managed to push through drilling in ANWR and temporarily roll back a few restrictions so that the midwest can build another refinery or two. Besides just annexing Iraq as our 51st state and dumping Puerto Riso, I'm not sure he could do more.
Patriot act is a good thing. There is not one instance that it has infringed on the privacy of anyone. Not one. Stop worrying about nothing.
Now a question: would Kerry be better? Consider two supreme court vacancies, 9-11, Katrina, and then try to think of what shape we'd be in with him. Don't regret your vote and don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.
12volt_man said:Yet another example of liberals not holding themselves to the same standard they hold others to.
Doctrine1st said:You conviently neglected to mention when you say, "Bush, makes the very same claims in good faith, based on the same information and wages war, based on the authority given him by Congress, but he is an evil liar" that he waged war based on purposely perpetuated faulty evidence.
And what standard is this?blueapplepaste said:And you are the prime example of conservatives not holding themselves to the same standard they hold others to.
I hope so. There's a really good reason Churchill said what he said. Facts can cut through the fog of feel-good pandering and make the right choice clear.INFALLIBLE said:maybe if people repeat this enough times in front of a mirror they may just start to beleive it.....
DieHappy said:Don't regret your vote and don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.
INFALLIBLE said:maybe if people repeat this enough times in front of a mirror they may just start to beleive it.....
12volt_man said:Don't leave. Don't cry. Get in there and fight for what you believe in.
HumbleMan said:I am, since I believe this country can do better than Bush and Co, Kerry, Gore, McCain, Moore, Peroutka, and the rest of the career politicians either currently in office or seeking such.
12volt_man said:What has he done that's "so selfish"?
His whole presidency has been orientated around protecting the rich and his mates oil interests
Really? Can you give us an example of this?
He treats the UN as an American tool rather than a democratic body.
Most of my portfolio is in tech stocks, pharmeceuticals and communication. I am a true Christian and I voted for him.
How is it that you, who is not a Christian, feel qualified to dictate to us who is or who is not a "true Christian"?
Percy said:Sorry I did not intend to dictate to anyone. But I do know a lot about Christianity I just lack faith.
I just want a friendly debate here, sorry if i've wound u up.
Percy.
breezynosacek said:I will stick by my President. I will continue to pray for him. And if he could run again, I would vote for him again.
Having said that, I believe that no matter which side I vote for, it will eventually end up in the same place. A One World Religion, A One World Government, An AntiChrist and a bunch of deluded idiots that are all for it. Why? Because the Bible tells me so!
I will, as a Christian, continue to vote for a President that is pro-life, against manufacturing humans, against using fetal tissue to experiment with cures for diseases mostly brought on by sin and the FDA. I will continue to vote for a President that believes in the Sanctity of a husband and wife marriage.
12volt_man said:Well, that's interesting, since he was confirmed in June of 2002, and the Homeland Security Act wasn't passed until November of that year.
parousia70 said:So What's your point?
He wasn't confirmed as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response in June of 2002,
Your inplication that the Senate actually Confirmed Brown as Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness & Response, the position he resigned from, and the position folks on this thread have blamed the President alone for installing him to, is false.
He was NEVER confirmed by the Senate for that position.
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