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Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits
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<blockquote data-quote="IisJustMe" data-source="post: 47720909" data-attributes="member: 153179"><p><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Yes, and if you've read them, then you know it is not a matter of a shortage of doctors and facilities to do transplants, as is the case with Canada. Our waitlists are strictly transplant related. I can see a doctor today if I need to, and it's Saturday. As to transplants in the US, the waitlists are a matter of a shortage of organs. After a ten-year growth in organ donor sign-up, there was a shortfall of organ donors in 2007, when the wait list hit 97,760 on December 31. As of Monday this week, it was at 99,132. It is disingenuous of you to make a comparison of the two countries without explaining there are different reasons for waitlist growth, and they aren't even the same kind of waitlist.</span></span></span><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Also disingenuous. Catastrophic health care will be denied no one in this country. If someone has a terminal or life-threatening illness and is not getting health care, it is not because it has been denied. It is because they don't believe they can seek it without health insurance, Medicaide or Medicare. That simply isn't true. Every state in the US requires a certain amount of <em>pro bono</em> health care of every hospital and clinic it licenses. Health care is always available from the greatest health care system in the world, and that is the US, whether there are some who would deny that or choose to believe Michael Moore or not.</span></span></span><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> ... which has nothing to do whatsoever with the level of health care available, only that which is provided those who are covered by HMOs or health insurance that are bean counters instead of health care providers. Left out of your statement is that there are literally hundreds of millions of claims handled fairly and without delay, and some by the very same companies that would be included in your list of lawsuits. Thousands of those claims you mention as being in litigation are bogus claims and will never see trial.</span></span></span><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Many of these people were poorly prepared for economic difficulty in their lives, too, as are most Americans. An analysis of the bankruptcies filed in 2001, for example, showed that 56% of the bankruptices were middle class families, meaning their income was between $50,000 to $100,000.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html" target="_blank">http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html</a></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">But their average uncovered medical costs were only $13,460. Anyone who has ever taken a family economics course knows there should be an emergency fund of at least three months' income available to cover those emergencies. That would be $12,500 to $25,000 for these families, which would significantly reduced those uncovered costs. People don't save. That's why there were two million bankruptcies filed in 2001. People live beyond their means and then wonder why they can't make ends meet. By the way, that article says half the bankruptcies filed that year were "medically related" which is much more than 50,000. However, most bankruptcies in this country are due to poor financial planning, not medical costs.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IisJustMe, post: 47720909, member: 153179"] [COLOR=Navy][SIZE=3][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Yes, and if you've read them, then you know it is not a matter of a shortage of doctors and facilities to do transplants, as is the case with Canada. Our waitlists are strictly transplant related. I can see a doctor today if I need to, and it's Saturday. As to transplants in the US, the waitlists are a matter of a shortage of organs. After a ten-year growth in organ donor sign-up, there was a shortfall of organ donors in 2007, when the wait list hit 97,760 on December 31. As of Monday this week, it was at 99,132. It is disingenuous of you to make a comparison of the two countries without explaining there are different reasons for waitlist growth, and they aren't even the same kind of waitlist.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][COLOR=Navy][SIZE=3][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Also disingenuous. Catastrophic health care will be denied no one in this country. If someone has a terminal or life-threatening illness and is not getting health care, it is not because it has been denied. It is because they don't believe they can seek it without health insurance, Medicaide or Medicare. That simply isn't true. Every state in the US requires a certain amount of [I]pro bono[/I] health care of every hospital and clinic it licenses. Health care is always available from the greatest health care system in the world, and that is the US, whether there are some who would deny that or choose to believe Michael Moore or not.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][COLOR=Navy][SIZE=3][FONT=Trebuchet MS] ... which has nothing to do whatsoever with the level of health care available, only that which is provided those who are covered by HMOs or health insurance that are bean counters instead of health care providers. Left out of your statement is that there are literally hundreds of millions of claims handled fairly and without delay, and some by the very same companies that would be included in your list of lawsuits. Thousands of those claims you mention as being in litigation are bogus claims and will never see trial.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][COLOR=Navy][SIZE=3][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Many of these people were poorly prepared for economic difficulty in their lives, too, as are most Americans. An analysis of the bankruptcies filed in 2001, for example, showed that 56% of the bankruptices were middle class families, meaning their income was between $50,000 to $100,000. [url]http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html[/url] But their average uncovered medical costs were only $13,460. Anyone who has ever taken a family economics course knows there should be an emergency fund of at least three months' income available to cover those emergencies. That would be $12,500 to $25,000 for these families, which would significantly reduced those uncovered costs. People don't save. That's why there were two million bankruptcies filed in 2001. People live beyond their means and then wonder why they can't make ends meet. By the way, that article says half the bankruptcies filed that year were "medically related" which is much more than 50,000. However, most bankruptcies in this country are due to poor financial planning, not medical costs.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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