And sometime we do chose the path of suffering and sometimes it has nothing to do with expectation of future pleasure. Sometimes we do it because it is the right thing to do and is of benefit to others.Clarphimous said:
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
And sometime we do chose the path of suffering and sometimes it has nothing to do with expectation of future pleasure. Sometimes we do it because it is the right thing to do and is of benefit to others.Clarphimous said:You mustn't forget "minimize displeasure." A lot of the time we don't do stuff that could be very helpful to us in the end because of all the suffering it would cause getting there. And usually, the further off a pleasure is, the less real it seems.
Certainly, but that doesn't mean we choose the impact or the impression it has on us.elman said:Can you chose the outside factor?
Of course it does if we go to the touble of looking into what that impact or impression might be.levi501 said:Certainly, but that doesn't mean we choose the impact or the impression it has on us.
nuh uh.elman said:Of course it does if we go to the touble of looking into what that impact or impression might be.
nuh uh. double stamp it, no erasies!elman said:hu huh.
Only in a very limited sense am I saying that. I do say we can chose some of the things that impact us in our search for truth. We can chose what we read and who we listen to for advice and these things can effect what we believe. Also I think the word believe in the Christian context is not just an intellectual assent to something. In the Christian context, to love is to act on behalf of i.e. the parable of the good samaitan. To believe is also relating to an action. If we believe Jesus we will do what He says to do and what He says to do is to love, again putting us in an activity rather than an intellectuall assent to something. We can chose what activity we engage in. In that sense we can chose to believe in Jesus.rstrats said:elman,
re: "Of course it does if we go to the trouble of looking into what that impact or impression might be."
If the impact is the obtaining of a new belief, are you saying that you consciously CHOSE it?
AFallingStar said:Can you control what you believe or do you think the very core of your beliefs are determined by outside/other factors?
elman said:And sometime we do chose the path of suffering and sometimes it has nothing to do with expectation of future pleasure. Sometimes we do it because it is the right thing to do and is of benefit to others.
Merlin said:Sure a person can.
I help people change their beliefs for a living.
atheist88 said:Then you are convincing them that the new way is better or true and the old way is worse or false.
This is how a person changes their beliefs for there is no other way.
You should be a little more verbose with your responses if you want to change my belief because right now I believe you are wrong.
or if you decide to believe things based on your own research... looking for WHAT to believeMerlin said:If you are taught how, then yes.
atheist88 said:Merlin, just saying "Nope" and "There is another way." is worse than useless, it is insulting. It begs for me to respond with "Yep" and "No there isn't". Normally a discussion offers a little more substance than this. How about offering an explanation of what you are talking about or giving me an example of someone choosing to believe something despite being convinced of its validity.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?