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Sued for Biblical 'plunder'

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CAIRO, September 12

An Egyptian lawyer said Wednesday he was planning to sue the world's Jews
for "plundering" gold during the Exodus from Pharaonic Egypt thousands of
years ago, based on information in the Bible.

Nabil Hilmi, dean of the law faculty at Egypt's al-Zaqaziq University,
said the legal basis for the case was under study by a group of lawyers in
Egypt and Europe.

"This is serious, and should not be misread as being political against any
race. We are just investigating if a debt is owed," Hilmi said in a
telephone interview.

The relevant passage from the Bible, Exodus 12 verses 35 to 36 reads: "The
Israelites had done as Moses told them; they had asked the Egyptians for
jewelry of silver and gold, and for clothing. ...

And so they plundered the Egyptians." This translation is in the New Revised Standard Version of
the Bible.
Some Jewish commentators say that while the Biblical passage may be fact,
the Hebrews were enslaved by the Egyptians and therefore had a right to
claim compensation for wages.

"Hilmi's assertion that the Hebrew Bible is fact has given Israel and Jews
the world over a reason to rejoice. He has opened the door for all Jews to
sue Egypt for over 400 years of slavery," writer Beth Goodman told
Reuters.

Tareq Zaghoul, a lawyer at the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights in
Cairo, said it would be difficult to prove historical fact in the passage
that would stand up in court.

"This needs historical documents and evidence to back it up. It is rather
far-fetched," he said.
Hilmi said Egyptian and European historical and religious experts were
trying to establish if the biblical passage could be taken as fact, and
hence form the basis for a lawsuit.

He said the argument that Jews could sue Egypt for enslaving them was also
being studied by experts.

Hilmi gave no details of which court he planned to file the case in or
whether he thought such a case would be exempt from the sort of statute of
limitations that in many countries rules out legal cases after a certain
period of time.

He also declined to put a value on the goods "plundered."
 

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AtheistWorld said:
Yeah, old news. the idiot forgot that we can sue right back for over 400 years of slavery of our people.
That's what I read in the last part there. Wasn't there a movement here in the U.S. about the African Americans suing for slavery as well?
 
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Arikay said:
Well, considering that after many a searches, they have found No evidence for the Exodus as described in the bible (even though there should be quite a bit). I dont think he has a leg to stand on.
No evidence? Try telling that to a Jew :) Haven't they found inscriptions on rocks in the desert regions of the Sinai Peninsula there that speak of some of the things the bible says happened in the Exodus?
 
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Arikay is correct.

There should be a plethora of substantive evidence in Egyptian Archeology to show the exodus if it did happen...

There is none.

The complete lack of evidence, especially when there really should be some in a society that was famous for its records of its history, is a telling bit of evidence in itself.
 
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Techbot said:
Sued for Biblical 'plunder'

Reuters
CAIRO, September 12

An Egyptian lawyer said Wednesday he was planning to sue the world's Jews
for "plundering" gold during the Exodus from Pharaonic Egypt thousands of
years ago, based on information in the Bible.

Nabil Hilmi, dean of the law faculty at Egypt's al-Zaqaziq University,
said the legal basis for the case was under study by a group of lawyers in
Egypt and Europe.

"This is serious, and should not be misread as being political against any
race. We are just investigating if a debt is owed," Hilmi said in a
telephone interview.

The relevant passage from the Bible, Exodus 12 verses 35 to 36 reads: "The
Israelites had done as Moses told them; they had asked the Egyptians for
jewelry of silver and gold, and for clothing. ...

And so they plundered the Egyptians." This translation is in the New Revised Standard Version of
the Bible.
Some Jewish commentators say that while the Biblical passage may be fact,
the Hebrews were enslaved by the Egyptians and therefore had a right to
claim compensation for wages.

"Hilmi's assertion that the Hebrew Bible is fact has given Israel and Jews
the world over a reason to rejoice. He has opened the door for all Jews to
sue Egypt for over 400 years of slavery," writer Beth Goodman told
Reuters.

Tareq Zaghoul, a lawyer at the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights in
Cairo, said it would be difficult to prove historical fact in the passage
that would stand up in court.

"This needs historical documents and evidence to back it up. It is rather
far-fetched," he said.
Hilmi said Egyptian and European historical and religious experts were
trying to establish if the biblical passage could be taken as fact, and
hence form the basis for a lawsuit.

He said the argument that Jews could sue Egypt for enslaving them was also
being studied by experts.

Hilmi gave no details of which court he planned to file the case in or
whether he thought such a case would be exempt from the sort of statute of
limitations that in many countries rules out legal cases after a certain
period of time.

He also declined to put a value on the goods "plundered."



What a mess the world would be in if this sets some kind of precedent.

How much in unpaid taxes would america owe england for tea?

How much in unpaid rent would the indians want?

How did Nabil Hilmi think it would work?

Maybe it's just a statement, or some kind of thesis?
 
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What they said. :)

There should be all sorts of evidence. The sands do cover up a lot in the desert, but there should be quite a bit of evidence of a very Large group of people moving through the desert for so many years. And its not like people haven't searched. But so far, nothing.

I did find some info about what you are talking about. The finds were made by Ron Wyatt. Most of his finds have been debunked awhile ago as frauds. Even most creationist organizations wont touch his finds, and thats saying something. :D

There was another person, who supposably found Chariot wheels from the red sea crossing, but when later examined, the pictures showed to be a fake, he could never correctly guide people to the site of his find, and I believe after his death, his kids admitted it was a fake.

Techbot said:
No evidence? Try telling that to a Jew :) Haven't they found inscriptions on rocks in the desert regions of the Sinai Peninsula there that speak of some of the things the bible says happened in the Exodus?
 
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Anyone here ever read Howard Blums book, Gold of Exodus? If the Egyptians think that they have to sue, it won't be to the Israelis, but the Saudis, because according to him, they are the ones that found it and dug it up. And they also have built a secret Radar defence system which is located where it is believed is the correct Mountain that Moses met G-d on, it even has a blackened top! :)
 
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SonWorshipper said:
Anyone here ever read Howard Blums book, Gold of Exodus? If the Egyptians think that they have to sue, it won't be to the Israelis, but the Saudis, because according to him, they are the ones that found it and dug it up. And they also have built a secret Radar defence system which is located where it is believed is the correct Mountain that Moses met G-d on, it even has a blackened top! :)
Very interesting. Man with all the links and books I've seen posted here recently I've got a lot of reading to do :)
 
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Havoc said:
Arikay is correct.

There should be a plethora of substantive evidence in Egyptian Archeology to show the exodus if it did happen...

There is none.

The complete lack of evidence, especially when there really should be some in a society that was famous for its records of its history, is a telling bit of evidence in itself.
Not only among the Egyptian writings,
but a massive nomadic wandering of 10's of thousands
of Hebrews would have left tell-tale signs in the desert.

We find evidence of the migration of man out of Africa,
yet no campfire/campsite remains, no animal remains,
nothing found to date to track the story of the nomadic
wanderings of the Hebrews.

Conclusion?
 
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Based on current evidence, the exodus as described in the bible did Not happen.

Smilin has a good point, We can find evidence of migration out of africa, yet we cant find evidence of the rather civilized (metal working, fire creating, etc) people of the exodus.

Of course, it could have been a much smaller group that wandered for a much shorter time. as that would leave a lot less evidence.

Godzman said:
If the Jews didn't exodus from egypt how did they take over canaan, did they just appear from the sky?????????????????????

I mean it could happen, but the exodus is probably what happened
 
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Godzman said:
If the Jews didn't exodus from egypt how did they take over canaan, did they just appear from the sky?????????????????????

I mean it could happen, but the exodus is probably what happened
How did the Canaanites get there? Did they just appear from the sky?

Everybody came from somewhere, there's just no evidence that the Hebrew people came out of Egypt, even though there certainly should be if the Bible is to be believed.
 
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