Can We Break Or Bend Bible Rules In Certain Situations?

[mrhappy3]

The only reason I ask this is because of what Jesus said about David and his men on the Sabbath, when they were starving.

Is it fair to say that IF the Sabbath was made for man, as and when required, in times of neccesity, God allows us via his MERCY to Bend or even break the "rules" a bit.

Any thoughts and other examples come to mind ?

Cheers gang.

 

[mrhappy3]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm..maybe not then..

 

[lismore]

There are a lot of laws in the book of Leviticus that are not practised, some perhaps have never been practised.

I think the point is to make people aware that they cannot keep the rules, or be justified by them.

On the other hand we should not set out to break them, nor should we let them prevent us doing good.

 

[Optimax]

We can.

However it is not profitable to do so.

The way of the transgressor is hard.

What we sow we reap.

God is not mocked.

 

[Alive_Again]

The "carnal ordinances" of the OT typically do not apply in the New, except for their fulfillment in the Spirit. We don't do away with the fulfillment of righteousness. Jesus understood the righteous requirements of the Law.

Considering that a man was stoned for gathering wood, I would not have stepped out too far to test things (in the OT days).

We can state that Jesus does not want a spirit of legalism to enter the church.

Also, some good news is that we fulfill the Sabbath in the rest of our faith, so in case you don't know, you're not obligated to physically fulfill the Sabbath in the New Covenant. As long as you cease from your own works and move in the rest of faith in His as a yielded vessel, you're meeting the righteous requirement of the Sabbath Law.

 

[mrhappy3]

Thanks

 

[lismore]

Psalm 119:11
I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you.

 

[JimB]

/nm/

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Any set of rules, Biblical or not, are irrelvant to us. Jesus has lifted us way above all rules and regulations because we have new hearts and are walking in the light with Jesus. He has written His Law on our hearts, and it is the law of life in Christ, which has set us free from the Law of sin and death. All regulations are part of the Law of sin and death. We are lifted way above them.

Also, the Lord's prayer states "Your will be done, as it is in Heaven..." We don't see that people will be living by any Law, rules or regulations in Heaven. There is no need for them, because there is no sin. Therefore, living in Christ, without the Law, means that we are subject to the will of God, and are always seeking to listen to His voice and to do His will, just as we would when we are in Heaven.

If anyone says they are a Christian and feel they need to live by a set of rules and regulations, without which they would fall from grace into sin, they may need to consider whether they are truly converted to Christ, or whether all they have is "religion".

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Jesus healed on the Sabbath, which was gainst the law. The law is not righteous, love is. The law restricts love. We are to follow the Lord of love and not the law that is easily circumvented by the law keepers.

Jesus talked to the Samaritan woman at the well.

Jesus sat at meat with sinners.

Jesus disobeyed the church authorities, and Roman authorities

 

[JimB]

Jesus healed on the Sabbath, which was gainst the law. The law is not righteous, love is. The law restricts love. We are to follow the Lord of love and not the law that is easily circumvented by the law keepers.

Jesus talked to the Samaritan woman at the well.

Jesus sat at meat with sinners.

Jesus disobeyed the church authorities, and Roman authorities

Whoa!! Jesus did not break the Law; rather, He broke the "traditions of the elders" that had built up around the Law. He violated their interpretation of the law, not the law itself. He came to demonstrate and teach the "spirit" of the law, not the "letter," because the spirit gives life but the letter kills. Ergo, Jesus kept the Law more perfectly than even the elders.

~Jim

 

[~RENEE~]

Whoa!! Jesus did not break the Law; rather, He broke the "traditions of the elders" that had built up around the Law. He violated their interpretation of the law, not the law itself. He came to demonstrate and teach the "spirit" of the law, not the "letter," because the spirit gives life but the letter kills. Ergo, Jesus kept the Law more perfectly than even the elders.

~Jim

 

[mrhappy3]

Ah The Old Letter Of The Law - But Mercy Triumphs Over Judgement

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Whoa!! Jesus did not break the Law; rather, He broke the "traditions of the elders" that had built up around the Law. He violated their interpretation of the law, not the law itself. He came to demonstrate and teach the "spirit" of the law, not the "letter," because the spirit gives life but the letter kills. Ergo, Jesus kept the Law more perfectly than even the elders.

~Jim

Jesus kept the spirit of the law, and broke the law...... ate the shew bread which was ILLEGAL to do, because it was needed.

Use common sense and pray and discern.

The law was a teacher to get us to the Lord, as the self righteous choose to think they follow the law, which is so easy to circumvent.

Real followers of the Lord break the law of self righteousness all the time and break the law of appearance sake and church law all the time. God bless them.

 

[JimB]

Jesus kept the spirit of the law, and broke the law...... ate the shew bread which was ILLEGAL to do, because it was needed.

Use common sense and pray and discern.

The law was a teacher to get us to the Lord, as the self righteous choose to think they follow the law, which is so easy to circumvent.

Real followers of the Lord break the law of self righteousness all the time and break the law of appearance sake and church law all the time. God bless them.

I see it differently. If Jesus had broken the Law then he would have been a sinner, "for sin is the trangression of the law" (1 John 3.4). In fact, Christ had to keep the Law perfectly in order to be sinless: "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2.10).

~Jim

 

[nephilimiyr]

I agree with Oscarr. To tell you the truth, there's only one rule in the Bible I see we christians having to follow and that is this:
John 15:17, This is my command: Love each other.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I see it differently. If Jesus had broken the Law then he would have been a sinner, "for sin is the trangression of the law" (1 John 3.4). In fact, Christ had to keep the Law perfectly in order to be sinless: "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2.10).

~Jim

And I'll second that! He, he, and I think He really enjoyed breaking the traditions that men had put in place!!

 

[nephilimiyr]

On the other hand we should not set out to break them, nor should we let them prevent us doing good.

I disagree, I love pulled pork BBQ and I just got a recipe for schnitzel that I hope to be preparing this weekend!

 

[K2K]

The Law is based upon love and God is Love.

Therefore the Law is based upon God! It is part of His personality. The problem is not the Law or it being correct, but ihow we interpret it.

Was it against the Law to heal on the Sabbeth?

NO IT WASN'T!!

Jesus asked if it was unlawful to do good on the Sabbeth! Of course it was not unlawful to do good because the Law is based upon love. What failed was the people's ability to correctly interprete the Law, and that is because the Scriptures, including the Law, is not correctly interpreted by our understanding but by God's!!

Not all the commandment are equal. There are greater commandments in the law. When two commandments, come into conflict, like if not working on the Sabbeth and the command to love your neighbor, the command to love your neighbor takes priority.

It is really not that hard to understand. Jesus pointed out that if any of them had an ox that had fallen in a ditch they would have pulled it out. So how come they didn't understand that if was ok to heal on the Sabeth?

Did they love their neighbor as themselves. What if they had fallen in a ditch, would they have worked to get themselves out of the ditch? If they were starving would they eat to save themselves, even if all they had was food dedicated to God. And if they were hurt would they do what they could tl help themselves even on the Sabeth? So if they would have done all that to for themselves how then did they think it wasn't lawful to do that for others on the Sabeth.

The Lord made the Sabeth so that we would take some time from our work to rest and spend some time in fellowship with Him and others. Relationships are important. That is something that some of us forsake for to make more money. I have that probelm as much as the next guy. So God gave the commandment to take some time off for our sake. It was a loving thing to do, but so is healing and helping. It's not hard to understand unless you are so focused on the Law that you forget the purpose of it.

Still, we don't fulfill the Law by leaning on our understanding of it, but rather by listening to and following the One by whose understanding it was handed down.

 

[JimB]

The Law is based upon love and God is Love.

Therefore the Law is based upon God! It is part of His personality. The problem is not the Law or it being correct, but ihow we interpret it.

Was it against the Law to heal on the Sabbeth?

NO IT WASN'T!!

Jesus asked if it was unlawful to do good on the Sabbeth! Of course it was not unlawful to do good because the Law is based upon love. What failed was the people's ability to correctly interprete the Law, and that is because the Scriptures, including the Law, is not correctly interpreted by our understanding but by God's!!

Not all the commandment are equal. There are greater commandments in the law. When two commandments, come into conflict, like if not working on the Sabbeth and the command to love your neighbor, the command to love your neighbor takes priority.

It is really not that hard to understand. Jesus pointed out that if any of them had an ox that had fallen in a ditch they would have pulled it out. So how come they didn't understand that if was ok to heal on the Sabeth?

Did they love their neighbor as themselves. What if they had fallen in a ditch, would they have worked to get themselves out of the ditch? If they were starving would they eat to save themselves, even if all they had was food dedicated to God. And if they were hurt would they do what they could tl help themselves even on the Sabeth? So if they would have done all that to for themselves how then did they think it wasn't lawful to do that for others on the Sabeth.

The Lord made the Sabeth so that we would take some time from our work to rest and spend some time in fellowship with Him and others. Relationships are important. That is something that some of us forsake for to make more money. I have that probelm as much as the next guy. So God gave the commandment to take some time off for our sake. It was a loving thing to do, but so is healing and helping. It's not hard to understand unless you are so focused on the Law that you forget the purpose of it.

Still, we don't fulfill the Law by leaning on our understanding of it, but rather by listening to and following the One by whose understanding it was handed down.

Yep. The Sabbath (and the Law) was made for man; not man for the Sabbath (or the Law).

~Jim



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