Can two sinners be married?

[SoManyQuestions]

I apologize as English is not my first language, but I do not want to say more about that than just that.

I wish I could be a Christian, but I cannot be one because it is hard for me to believe like one. Sometimes I feel there is hate when the Bible says not to, and I do not understand some of the smaller things like when someone says that they are not hating but just not condoning (I think that is the right word). But if a man does not judge another does he not share his bread as equally as he would his own brother?

I am posting this thread only to gain a better understanding of Christian beliefs. I will probably post more threads for answers, but no more that once a day and no less than once a week. I’ve tried this before in other Christian forums, but sometimes I am deleted, and if that happens I bear no ill will and will just search out other places for discussion and understanding.

I have a lot of questions, and will try to post them completely neutrally and will not reply in the threads—only listen. I understand some topics are hard to discuss, so I will post how I feel, exactly what I want to know, and how I have come to think as I do, and no more. I will post only one question in any thread so that there isn’t any confusion as to what I would like to know; I also hold no intimate knowledge with the bible, only passing and have not read it since I was a child, raised in a very religious household. I have no agenda, only questions.

My first question involves gay marriage.

I have gay friends, and two gay uncles (one blood related, the other I call uncle and respect as his husband regardless of laws), and I love them all dearly. They are all wonderful people, some devout Christians. Most of them have only the sin of loving other men, and most all of them are not moral-less individuals—dating only one person at a time; two of them saving themselves for “marriage.”

I do not feel that I can judge what they choose to do, regardless what I do. I do not like men in that way, and could never understand how they could.

I know the bible makes allusions to calling homosexuality a sin in saying they should not lay together, and I respect that Christianity has chosen to feel that they are sinners.

People bring up Sodom when I talk about this, but I only remember the homosexuality in Sodom being as immoral as the heterosexuality—people immorally sleeping around and not having any caring emotions regardless who they chose to lay with. I personally see it as God being angrier with how carelessly they threw themselves around, not necessarily who they lay with—otherwise why did God not make note of slaying every homosexual in the Old Testament? That is just my view, however, and I respect it is not the popular one.

All of that noted, I understand that Homosexuality is widely regarded as a sin—but here is my real question and the only one I really want answered:

Where in the bible does it say two sinners cannot be married?

Please I only mention everything else so you can see how I think of it, but I really want the answer to just that question. I’m not trying to back anyone into a corner, and I know most Christians would not want to view a homosexual marriage, nor would they agree with it—but to that end I do not agree with adultery, but do not judge them being less than equal to myself. Just a sinner in a different way than I find myself sinning, regardless how I try not to each day.

So why is the bread not shared with them the same, there are benefits that they are not given. I am honestly just asking, not fighting for or against anything.

 

[Seekermeister]

The Bible never said that two sinners could not be married. If it did, then no one could be married. But, it does not permit homosexual marriages.

Since the current laws do not prevent homosexuals from living together, the only reason that some homosexuals want their situation legalized, is to gain the advantages that the law gives to heterosexual marriages. Since the law is based on morality, that is not possible without discarding the morality of the law.

The world is a fairly immoral place already, and there are plenty of amoral people who will lead others in their immorality. To attempt to legislate morality is to reject the author of morality...God. Anyone that rejects God is not moral, regardless of how "nice" they are.

This does not mean that you shouldn't love your "uncles", but only that you shouldn't accept their behavior or "marriage". If you truely loved them, you would attempt to cause them to desist their behavior by teaching them of their sin.

 

[Key]

I apologize as English is not my first language, but I do not want to say more about that than just that.

I wish I could be a Christian, but I cannot be one because it is hard for me to believe like one. Sometimes I feel there is hate when the Bible says not to, and I do not understand some of the smaller things like when someone says that they are not hating but just not condoning (I think that is the right word). But if a man does not judge another does he not share his bread as equally as he would his own brother?

I am posting this thread only to gain a better understanding of Christian beliefs. I will probably post more threads for answers, but no more that once a day and no less than once a week. I’ve tried this before in other Christian forums, but sometimes I am deleted, and if that happens I bear no ill will and will just search out other places for discussion and understanding.

I have a lot of questions, and will try to post them completely neutrally and will not reply in the threads—only listen. I understand some topics are hard to discuss, so I will post how I feel, exactly what I want to know, and how I have come to think as I do, and no more. I will post only one question in any thread so that there isn’t any confusion as to what I would like to know; I also hold no intimate knowledge with the bible, only passing and have not read it since I was a child, raised in a very religious household. I have no agenda, only questions.

My first question involves gay marriage.

I have gay friends, and two gay uncles (one blood related, the other I call uncle and respect as his husband regardless of laws), and I love them all dearly. They are all wonderful people, some devout Christians. Most of them have only the sin of loving other men, and most all of them are not moral-less individuals—dating only one person at a time; two of them saving themselves for “marriage.”

I do not feel that I can judge what they choose to do, regardless what I do. I do not like men in that way, and could never understand how they could.

I know the bible makes allusions to calling homosexuality a sin in saying they should not lay together, and I respect that Christianity has chosen to feel that they are sinners.

People bring up Sodom when I talk about this, but I only remember the homosexuality in Sodom being as immoral as the heterosexuality—people immorally sleeping around and not having any caring emotions regardless who they chose to lay with. I personally see it as God being angrier with how carelessly they threw themselves around, not necessarily who they lay with—otherwise why did God not make note of slaying every homosexual in the Old Testament? That is just my view, however, and I respect it is not the popular one.

All of that noted, I understand that Homosexuality is widely regarded as a sin—but here is my real question and the only one I really want answered:

Where in the bible does it say two sinners cannot be married?

Please I only mention everything else so you can see how I think of it, but I really want the answer to just that question. I’m not trying to back anyone into a corner, and I know most Christians would not want to view a homosexual marriage, nor would they agree with it—but to that end I do not agree with adultery, but do not judge them being less than equal to myself. Just a sinner in a different way than I find myself sinning, regardless how I try not to each day.

So why is the bread not shared with them the same, there are benefits that they are not given. I am honestly just asking, not fighting for or against anything.

This is a great question. And maybe I can shed some light on it for you.

When God crafted Human, he made them a pair, A Man, and a Woman. Each one of them, a Special aspect of what is Humanity. Each one complements the other, as such, combined, they become whole, they together, become Humanity.

However, when a Man and Man join together, they become only half of the equation, they treat a man as a man, and a man as a woman. Thus they do not respect the man as a man when they treat the man as a woman.

Each one, a Man, and Woman, should be given proper respect for what they are, this is the nature of Human, to know that we as an individual, are not the all, and that a Man, is one aspect of ourselves, and a Woman is the other. Just as you are the combination of your Mother and your Father, they together, made you, and if you do not give respect to each of them, as they deserve, then you shame them.

A Woman, is an equal to a man, but her equal nature is based on the fact that she is different then a man. A Man is equal to a woman, but this also is based on the fact that a man is different then a woman.

When we do not respect that, we shame both and man and the woman.

When a Man treats a Man as a Woman, he brings shame to the Woman and the Man, because he does not respect them, and their special nature.

I hope I have explained that for you.

God Bless

Key.

 

[Rafael]

My first question involves gay marriage.

I have gay friends, and two gay uncles (one blood related, the other I call uncle and respect as his husband regardless of laws), and I love them all dearly. They are all wonderful people, some devout Christians. Most of them have only the sin of loving other men, and most all of them are not moral-less individuals—dating only one person at a time; two of them saving themselves for “marriage.”

I do not feel that I can judge what they choose to do, regardless what I do. I do not like men in that way, and could never understand how they could.

I know the bible makes allusions to calling homosexuality a sin in saying they should not lay together, and I respect that Christianity has chosen to feel that they are sinners.

People bring up Sodom when I talk about this, but I only remember the homosexuality in Sodom being as immoral as the heterosexuality—people immorally sleeping around and not having any caring emotions regardless who they chose to lay with. I personally see it as God being angrier with how carelessly they threw themselves around, not necessarily who they lay with—otherwise why did God not make note of slaying every homosexual in the Old Testament? That is just my view, however, and I respect it is not the popular one.

All of that noted, I understand that Homosexuality is widely regarded as a sin—but here is my real question and the only one I really want answered:

Where in the bible does it say two sinners cannot be married?

Please I only mention everything else so you can see how I think of it, but I really want the answer to just that question. I’m not trying to back anyone into a corner, and I know most Christians would not want to view a homosexual marriage, nor would they agree with it—but to that end I do not agree with adultery, but do not judge them being less than equal to myself. Just a sinner in a different way than I find myself sinning, regardless how I try not to each day.

So why is the bread not shared with them the same, there are benefits that they are not given. I am honestly just asking, not fighting for or against anything.

First of all, the Bible tells us that we are not to judge with judgment that only God has the power over - like life and death. We are not to judge people to hell or condemn them, but are told to love them with practical love which is our debt to all men. This does not mean we cannot say that something is wrong and could be dangerous to a persons hopes for eternal life, if they have any. In fact, it would be unloving to not give a person warning of danger ahead when we know the bridge is out and where death awaits. There is righteous judgment and judgment that is not supposed to be, and some people take and missuse God's judgment in vain. Do not think they represent God but only themselves and their own proud desires. Learning to discern from what spirit people speak is important for knowing whether or not they come and speak true about God,as the Bible warns us that many false prophets will come after Jesus and deceive many - bringing reproach to God's name instead of the great glory due Him.
The Bible tells us to not be unequally yoked to unbelievers in marriage - not that two sinners cannot marry. We are all sinners according to the Bible, so none would marry if that statement were true. People of like faith pull better towards the goals they have in common, and a Christian should marry another Christian so that harmony prevails inside that family. God gives each man the choice to marry or call that union anything they please, but it does not mean it is the marriage that He has put together. So often, we make poor choices with marriage that end in conflict, seperation, and divorce - which counters the will of God for true love which takes life-long sacrifice and commitment to one another. God desires a higher standard of love in marriage that is better than just people trying each other on like a pair of shoes.

 

[DArceri]

Where in the bible does it say two sinners cannot be married?

So why is the bread not shared with them the same, there are benefits that they are not given. I am honestly just asking, not fighting for or against anything.

"UNNATURAL RELATIONS" VERSES IN N.T.
Romans 1:26-27
...God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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PLEASE NOTE, AS WITH ANY SIN, COMPLETE FORGIVENESS IS AVAILABLE:

1 Corinthians 6:11
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

 

[MethodMan]

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