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Even granting your god's existence, and the assertion that he has made moral decrees, and the assertion that the Bible accurately represents his moral decrees, your holy book has this same god character breaking this decree all the time, and explicitly commanding people to break it. So no, far from being 'cut and dried', it's entirely subject to his whims.
God did instruct Israel to kill their enemies, but such killing wasn't murder, and thus didn't violate the commandment.
The commandment not to kill (murder specifically) is part of the letter of the Law, "which killeth." It's moral component is in it's antithesis, which is the spirit of the law. Christians intrinsically follow the spirit of the law, but seldom express it, such is it's spiritual nature.
How is it not murder?
Do you honestly think Israel's enemies wrote laws that exempted foreign invaders? If you travel to another land and kill some people...is that not murder under their laws?
If some foreign invaders showed up on your doorstep and killed your family, is that not murder?
We call that collateral damage.
How is it not murder?
Do you honestly think Israel's enemies wrote laws that exempted foreign invaders? If you travel to another land and kill some people...is that not murder under their laws?
If some foreign invaders showed up on your doorstep and killed your family, is that not murder?
What about killing moskitos?God's morality would be, 'Thou shalt not kill.'
Man's morality would be that killing people is wrong unless it is done in the interest of the greater good of society. ie War, abortion or whatever other LEGAL reason it is justified by.
One is cut and dried and the other is capricious.
When it happens to someone else...when it happens to you or yours, it's murder.
What happened to the "spirit of the law"? Seems to me murder by any other name is still murder.
It was war with God leading the army. By definition they were right. It is also ancient history. Only Crom knows how it really went down.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5K3AKl5qpc
What we do know is recent history. Recent history is not rife with God leading armies. It is full of secular humanists starving millions around the world.
The spirit of the law supercedes the letter of the law and is a function of the Holy Spirit working in the new covenant church. The church is not a secular governing body and isn't responsible for the bloodbath that goes on in society.
You disarm them and incapacitate them until the constable can take them into custody.
Well the problem with "cut and dry" would be....what if someone is trying to kill me? What if I can't get away? Should I just let them kill me since god doesn't want me to kill?
I was just pointing out that it wasn't just "according to me" like the poster I quoted said.
Man's morality would be that killing people is wrong unless it is done in the interest of the greater good of society.
In the words of a Buddhist based TV programme...
Avoid, rather than check.
Check, rather than hurt.
Hurt, rather than maim.
Maim, rather than kill.
It is good advice, even if from "the movies".
Small point of order: it's "thou shall not murder" not "thou shall not kill" (yes, I know it wasn't you saying otherwise).
They have Buddhist based T.V.?
That's exactly my point. By the spirit of the law, if you go to someone's home and kill them, it's murder.
Then are you retracting your statement from post #43? It was:
According to you...
Why would you say this if multitudes of other people might agree with me? Do you think that I am the only person in the world who holds that view? Why is it just according to me, but not according to you? Don't you see a double-standard here?
eudaimonia,
Mark
No, but I'm saying my view can't be so casually dismissed at you imply.
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