Can someone please explain to me...

Cain Spencer · Sep 17, 2010

wayseer said:
As in the sense you are using the story - Yes.

Wayseer, please look at this;

1 Peter 3:18 -

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[a] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

addo · Sep 17, 2010

Yes, (s)he may go. But not because (s)he didn't hear. It's for other reasons.

Armistead14 · Sep 18, 2010

Christ is the only way.

Man trying to create fairness has created many gospels such as

The gospel of Age of Accountability...tis a false gospel, it says you go to heaven just for being young unable to understand, so if this is true then Christ isn't the only way.

Those that haven't heard, we've created many gospels...believing in God, in creation, will be judged another way...all these are false gospels, Christ is the only way.

Some say having faith in God is enough, such as the millions of God loving OT jews, but they knew not Christ. If they thought Hitler was bad, wait until they wake up in hell.

The majority of man through history never heard the gospel. When Christ said he was the only way, there were a few million people spread through the earth. That message didn't even reach europe for 300 years, another 1000 plus to the rest of the world. These were not chosen to be saved, if you don't hear, there is no excuse, you're lost and bound to hell.

Only a few are saved, count yourself lucky that God chose you over 90% of the people created...

Cain Spencer · Sep 18, 2010

Cain Spencer said:
Wayseer, please look at this;

1 Peter 3:18 -

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[a] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Ooooh Wayseer, don't run away from me now...

Armistead14 · Sep 20, 2010

Cain Spencer said:
Wayseer, please look at this;

1 Peter 3:18 -

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[a] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

Are you saying after Christ died he went to speak to the spirits in prision that rejected him and died in the flood? Will he directly preach to all dead people that didn't know him?

S.O.C · Sep 21, 2010

I would agree with Zaac. But what is the deeper question here, is the question pertaining to someone who does not know Gods word (Bible) or does not know God? As Zaac indicated we all know God by; creation, the Bible, in times past through his profits, and Jesus. So, there would be no excuse for anyone. However, as Zacc also mentioned we are condemned by our unforgiven Sins. In the Bible it says that before the law or ten commandments was given that we were free from the law of Sin, this is because God will not hold accountable the innocent or someone who has no knowledge of Sin. Babies and young children who are not of age of accountability do Sin but they have no knowledge of what Sin is and therefore are not held accountable.

wayseer · Sep 22, 2010

Cain Spencer said:
Wayseer, please look at this;

1 Peter 3:18 -

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom[a] also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

What am I looking at?

Zebra1552 · Sep 22, 2010

allyouneedislove916 said:
If someone has never heard of the words of god, would he/she go to hell?

That's for God to know and us to find out... when we see Him.

S.O.C · Sep 22, 2010

I see there are a few people that believe there is no such thing as an age of accountability.
How than would you explain Adam and Evas state of being before they had eaten the forbidden fruit from the tree of Knowledge? They did not know Sin and they had no knowledge of Sin prior to eating the forbidden fruit and even though they were walking around naked from the day God created them up to the eating of that forbidden fruit they knew not their nakedness. But the moment they eat the forbidden fruit their eyes were open and they were accountable for the Sin they committed and their nakedness was exposed, in fact all their Sins were exposed before them. That is why God said to Adam "who told you, you were naked, did you eat from the tree (knowledge)...". Because once they had the knowledge of their Sin they were accountable. In the same way that Adam and Eve were oblivious to their own nakedness and the element of Sin (prior to eating the forbidden fruit) so to is a baby or child who cannot understand the things around them either the Bible or creation or nature which all serve as a testimony to Gods existence and power to all those who comprehend it. Again, Paul tells us that apart from the knowledge of Sin that Sin was dead and he was alive but when the Law came (Ten Commandments) than Sin came alive and he died. Does this mean that literally Sin was not existent before the Law; absolutely not the difference is when he heard the Law than he was accountable to it and all his Sin (present, past and future). But at what point does a new born that dies become aware of the Law or Sin? The answer is never. Do I believe that Jesus is the only way to Godabsolutely but by what means is Jesus the way? How does he vindicate our faith and true repentance? What is the measuring rod that he uses to determine mans Faith and True repentance? Certainly it is not through works but works always accompanies True faith and repentance. Does he not say on more than one occasion that he judges a man by what is on the inside and not on the external, did Jesus not display through out the whole time of his ministry on earth that he was kind and merciful to all.
Are all condemned because of Adams transgression? I would disagree on this pointwe all have the original Sin of Adam, Jesus mortal body included! Because everyone born in the flesh has the seed of Adam. So, if we say that Adams Sin is our own Sin and by this we are in fact condemned because on this type of Sin alone than would it be fair to say that if Jesus had died in the manger as baby Jesus than he would not have received salvation? The problem here is not that we dont have the sin of Adam or that we dont deserve hell its that Adams Sin brings about a different kind of death. The curse of Adam was a bodily death or death of the flesh. Dust you came and dust you shall return And even Jesus body was put to death but he was raised in the Spirit. Spiritual death is not like bodily death, spiritual death is for those who have had a chance to know Christ but have rejected him or the Gospel. This is why he went in the Spirit to preach to the old time profits and Saints because if he had not brought them the message or Word than all the servants and children of God from Adam to Malachi would have been outside of Salvation. This is why Jesus is Lord of both the living and the Dead. So if Jesus made special provisions to save all the Old Testament Saints and sends the Holy Spirit to anyone who calls on his name than why would he not grant the grace of God to children or infants who are truly innocent. The power of Salvation comes from God but only through Jesus and Jesus will decide who receives Salvation and who will not. To say I know how Jesus will grant Salvation is like saying you know the hearts of men or the unknown things of man that only God knows.

S.O.C · Sep 22, 2010

"Then the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat fruit from every tree of the orchard, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will surely die.”… Gen 3:8- 3:19

“…What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet." But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin is dead. I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died. So I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life brought death!” For sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment deceived me and through it killed me.”… Rom 7:11

Zebra1552 · Sep 22, 2010

S.O.C said:
I see there are a few people that believe there is no such thing as an age of accountability.

Probably because there's no biblical support for it.

Dionysiou · Sep 22, 2010

Jaws13 said:
Probably because there's no biblical support for it.

Are you implying that we serve a God who sends little children to hell? are you alright or what?

ElizabethHelen · Sep 22, 2010

No they or 'you' will not go to hell just because you haven't had the oppertunity to hear the word of God.

As long as this said person makes up for the bad things they have done and show that they truley want to change, then God will forgive and forget and take them under his wing, so long as they believe and follow.

Dionysiou · Sep 22, 2010

ElizabethHelen said:
No they or 'you' will not go to hell just because you haven't had the oppertunity to hear the word of God.

As long as this said person makes up for the bad things they have done and show that they truley want to change, then God will forgive and forget and take them under his wing, so long as they believe and follow.

what if a little muslim boy dies from a bomb explosion, will he be sent to hell?

Zebra1552 · Sep 23, 2010

Dionysiou said:
Are you implying that we serve a God who sends little children to hell? are you alright or what?

I am not implying anything, and I'm perfectly fine. I'm overtly stating that we have no idea what God does with these people, and that to speculate and defend that speculation with Scripture is the height of arrogance.

Dionysiou · Sep 23, 2010

Jaws13 said:
I am not implying anything, and I'm perfectly fine. I'm overtly stating that we have no idea what God does with these people, and that to speculate and defend that speculation with Scripture is the height of arrogance.

you sound alright after all

Armistead14 · Sep 23, 2010

The question is simple...is Christ the only way or not. Obvious to most, he is not the only way.

If one is not accountable for his age, OK, but that is another way other than Christ.. What about all the children being raised from birth to be a certain way. It is in childhood most of our thinking patterns are set for life.
There is a reason most children born in the mideast are muslim. All these patterns are set in childhood. By the time they reach adulthood, their patterns are set to believe as their parents and culture teach. If you or I were born in say Iran, we would have a 90% chance of being mulsim. The same for children everywhere, born in China they will grow to be buddist, India, most likely Hindu. Somehow we expect they will grow from birth to adulthood being taught a certain religion in a certain culture and when they reach a certain age they have the ability to change. Why should reaching adulthood matter when all you know and all your culture teaches is a different religion than we. Why doe's adulthood make them more accountable. Their beliefs have already been set and ingrained from birth. They would no more change than you or I. The fact is the majority will believe as their parents and culture....so the end result is eternal hell?

The majority of man has never heard the gospel. When Christ said he was the only way, several million people lived all through the earth. It was hundreds of years before the gospel reached mere europe. It took another 1500 years before it reached America. Even today many haven't heard.
Do these get to heavn based on goodness, believing in creation, God judging them, ect..If they do OK, but that is another way into heaven other than Christ.

The fact is we have created many ways to heaven other than Christ. We do so because we have no explanation, no just way to make it make sense.

I think that's why so many accept that God has already chosen from the beginning who is saved. That makes sense, doesn't seem fair, but makes sense.

S.O.C · Sep 23, 2010

Jaws13 said:
Probably because there's no biblical support for it.

I believe this is one of those thing that can't just be simply defined because in reality everyone matures at different times so age cannot be clearly defined but just because the Bible does not say for instance...Drinking alcohol is a Sin, does that imply its not bad for a person or even good for a person? In GEN 9:22; Noah got drunk and than got naked (for reasons the Bible does not say) but because Shem stumbled across his father in his naked and drunken state, Noah cursed the whole lineage of Canaan. Had Noah not gotten intoxicated he probably would not have uncovered himself and so on... Another example is Lot and his two daughterss in GEN 19:33, where the daughters got their own father drunk to have incest with him. There are many more examples in the Bible that clearly give the implication that drinking alcohol or getting intoxicated is sinful or at least weakens a persons Spirit that lead to Sinful conduct. So I don't need the Bible to spell all out for me because God gave us all the spirit of understanding. Yet some people will try and defend that drinking is not a Sin.

Zebra1552 · Sep 23, 2010

S.O.C said:
I believe this is one of those thing that can't just be simply defined because in reality everyone matures at different times so age cannot be clearly defined but just because the Bible does not say for instance...Drinking alcohol is a Sin, does that imply its not bad for a person or even good for a person? In GEN 9:22; Noah got drunk and than got naked (for reasons the Bible does not say) but because Shem stumbled across his father in his naked and drunken state, Noah cursed the whole lineage of Canaan. Had Noah not gotten intoxicated he probably would not have uncovered himself and so on... Another example is Lot and his two daughterss in GEN 19:33, where the daughters got their own father drunk to have incest with him. There are many more examples in the Bible that clearly give the implication that drinking alcohol or getting intoxicated is sinful or at least weakens a persons Spirit that lead to Sinful conduct. So I don't need the Bible to spell all out for me because God gave us all the spirit of understanding. Yet some people will try and defend that drinking is not a Sin.

That's because drinking isn't a sin. Getting drunk is, and in both the examples you gave, they were drunk. They didn't have a glass of wine or something that got them buzzed. They were drunk, and their behavior clearly indicated that. Nowhere in the Bible is drinking condemned.

But what does that have to do with the age of accountability and it supposedly having a basis in Scripture?

Cain Spencer · Sep 23, 2010

S.O.C said:
I see there are a few people that believe there is no such thing as an age of accountability.

No, send all the children to hell.

Can someone please explain to me...

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