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Can someone help me with this?

aReformedPatriot

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Here's the quote I am dealing with:

"In Roman Catholicism, Adam's transgression did result for him and his descendants in the loss of the superadded gift; and insofar as God has granted this gift to Adam and he therefore should have enjoyed it, the loss of it can be called culpable. But original sin is no more than this privation;it does not consist in the concupiscence that by itself is not sin, nor in an innate evil of the will, for though the will may have been weakened, it is neither lost nor corrupted. Thus fallen nature is actually totally identical with uncorrupted nature; true the supernatural gifts have been lost, but the natural gifts continue intact." Reformed Dogamtics: Sin and Salvation in Christ, Bavinick, 43.

First off, typing that was a beast because I kept making mistakes; most irritating. Secondly, what does he mean by the "superadded" gift? Does he mean perfect righteousness? In summary, and tell me if I have misread, he is saying that Roman Catholcism teaches that man's nature is not totally corrupted (total depravity) but is intact being able to choose between good and evil. Man's nature is now simply weakened and now simply leans toward concupiscence which is not a sin until those desires actually get acted out. is this correct? Finally, what are the natural gifts that are remaining intact?
 

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The Belgic Confession of Faith, Article XIVThe Creation and Fall of Man, and His Incapacity to Perform What Is Truly Good We believe that God created man out of the dust of the earth, and made and formed him after His own image and likeness, good, righteous, and holy, capable in all things to will agreeably to the will of God. But being in honor, he understood it not, neither knew his excellency, but wilfully subjected himself to sin and consequently to death and the curse, giving ear to the words of the devil. For the commandment of life, which he had received, he transgressed; and by sin separated himself from God, who was his true life; having corrupted his whole nature; whereby he made himself liable to corporal and spiritual death. And being thus become wicked, perverse, and corrupt in all his ways, he has lost all his excellent gifts which he had received from God, and retained only small remains thereof, which, however, are sufficient to leave man without excuse; for all the light which is in us is changed into darkness, as the Scriptures teach us, saying: The light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness apprehended it not; where St. John calls men darkness. Therefore we reject all that is taught repugnant to this concerning the free will of man, since man is but a slave to sin, and can receive nothing, except it have been given him from heaven. For who may presume to boast that he of himself can do any good, since Christ says: No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him? Who will glory in his own will, who understands that the mind of the flesh is enmity against God? Who can speak of his knowledge, since the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God? In short, who dares suggest any thought, since he knows that we are not sufficient of ourselves to account anything as of ourselves, but that our sufficiency is of God? And therefore what the apostle says ought justly to be held sure and firm, that God worketh in us both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. For there is no understanding nor will conformable to the divine understanding and will but what Christ has wrought in man; which He teaches us, when He says: Apart from me ye can do nothing.
 
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The Catholic Church teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were endowed by God with sanctifying grace, and with certain preternatural gifts, such as freedom from concupiscence, freedom from pain and death, and a high degree of knowledge. These gifts were dependent on their obedience to a moral command, proportionate to their knowledge of God and His will.
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Original Sin is indeed a great mystery, which the human reason cannot fathom, but it does not imply any injustice on the part of God. Original Sin did not injure man in anything that was natural to him. All the supernatural and preternatural gifts that Adam lost for himself and for us were not his or ours by right, but were given Adam gratuitously by God, on the one condition that Adam was to obey His easy commandment. "Original Sin is not an evil bias, a tendency to wrong, a taint in spirit or in flesh, a corruption of any part of human nature as such. Concupiscence, the natural activity of instincts or passions not subordinate to reason, is not Original Sin, but a consequence of it, even though it may lead, often enough, to actual sin"



from: http://www.catholicapologetics.net/qb101

this is the best summary i found via google.

i've always seen it as God gives with the right hand, takes it back with the left so mankind in Adam is right back where we started. doesn't sound like total depravity or original sin to me!!
 
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