Can serial killer's or mass murderes go to heaven.

josh_676 · Apr 5, 2006

Howdy, I've been having a 'debate' with some people lately on whether or not a serial killer can go to heaven.

My argument is... A serial killer sets out to deliberately and methodically end the live's of his victims for his pleasure. They are cold and calculated. Therefore, he cannot repent, and ever truly be sorry for what he did. Therefore cannot gain access to heaven.

So it's on, can they go to heaven? if Hitler repented for killing 8 million plus could he be in heaven? I don't think so, but I want to know your oppinions, and why.

beehoney · Apr 5, 2006

God's grace is not limited. If Hitler were to repent of his sins and turn from his ways then I can't see why not. Anyway this is going to get moved because the whole debate is starting again.

Angel4Truth · Apr 5, 2006

Hi josh , this area of the forum is for questions about or concerning christian forums , not for apologetics or debates . You may want to ask your question in the christians only section of the board in the general apologetics section of the board.

josh_676 · Apr 5, 2006

Well can this be moved to somewhere that we can discuss it.

beehoney · Apr 5, 2006

josh_676 said:
Well can this be moved to somewhere that we can discuss it.

A moderator will be happy to move it. Send a private message to one of them.

Harlan Norris · Apr 5, 2006

josh_676 said:
Howdy, I've been having a 'debate' with some people lately on whether or not a serial killer can go to heaven.

My argument is... A serial killer sets out to deliberately and methodically end the live's of his victims for his pleasure. They are cold and calculated. Therefore, he cannot repent, and ever truly be sorry for what he did. Therefore cannot gain access to heaven.

So it's on, can they go to heaven? if Hitler repented for killing 8 million plus could he be in heaven? I don't think so, but I want to know your oppinions, and why.

We look at some peoples sin and say,that's over the line no forgiveness for them.Just because we can't forgive doesn't mean God can't.When a person says they repent,God knows the truth of the matter.If anyone truly repents,they can be saved.This is the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ,and I'm thankful for it.I'm not a mass murderer or serial killer,but I would never deny anyone their salvation,even if they were.In God's eye the thought is the same as the deed.If I wish hell on another I wish it on myself.

josh_676 · Apr 5, 2006

My point is that they can never truly repent because the manner they carried out there crimes. You can't be s orry for hunting someone down, raping them, and then doing it again and again, you just cant be sorry for that sort of action done with that sort of precision.

beehoney · Apr 5, 2006

josh_676 said:
My point is that they can never truly repent because the manner they carried out there crimes. You can't be s orry for hunting someone down, raping them, and then doing it again and again, you just cant be sorry for that sort of action done with that sort of precision.

I don't know what's in the heart of a serial killer or rapist-murderer, but IF he repents, God's grace is sufficient to save him. Now whether he is capable of remorse or repentance, that I cannot argue.

josh_676 · Apr 6, 2006

I'll make it easy, they can't, and even if they could, who would want to go to heaven with a sick serial killer...

BTW your forum is hard to navigate.

beehoney · Apr 6, 2006

josh_676 said:
I'll make it easy, they can't, and even if they could, who would want to go to heaven with a sick serial killer...

BTW your forum is hard to navigate.

LOL! Well we will be in heaven with people who have lied, cheated, stolen, backstabbed, and I am almost sure there will be one or two murderers and rapists too.

josh_676 · Apr 6, 2006

I would continue this discussion, but this FORUM LAYOUT IS INFFURIATING ME

beehoney · Apr 6, 2006

josh_676 said:
I would continue this discussion, but this FORUM LAYOUT IS INFFURIATING ME

You'll get used to it. You can find the threads you have posted in easily by clicking on "CONTROL PANEL"

NewToLife · Apr 7, 2006

I have little doubt that even the most depraved of serial killers is not beyond the reach of God's grace, if they repent then I would think it is possible for them to be saved.

If God can take a man who set out to destroy the Church such as St Paul and turn him into one of the early Church's most important figures and greatest saints then I would think that we should realise that nothing is beyond the grace of God.

setzie · Apr 7, 2006

who can possibly know that for sure? none of us, I guess.

imo it is possible that they can go to heaven. god's grace is unlimited

SpiritualPilgrim · Apr 7, 2006

I feel that there's a flaw in the original logic in the question. For me, that flaw is in the idea that a serial killer or rapist would be incapable of repentance. This seems to say that just because they did bad, heinous things, then they no longer have free will. And if free will is revocable, then there is really no hope for any of us.

Long story short, if they repent, salvation is possible. To say otherwise is to doubt God's amazing grace. If grace is doubted, then the whole question becomes moot from the start.

Merlin · Apr 7, 2006

Serial killing and such seems horrible to us.
But you know what? A sin such as fornication is just as bad to God.
Any sin may be forgiven by God's grace.
So, any sinner who has his/her sin removed by Jesus may enter into heaven.

AtheistPerson · Apr 7, 2006

Hitler was a religious man, so I see a gateway to heaven.

JustJack! · Apr 7, 2006

I'm sorry, but I believe in a thing called justice.

With Christianity, you can kill a dozen people, accept Christ, and go right on to heaven while the people you butchered are writhing hell simply because they believe in Jesus.

Might as well be giving rapists medals while we beat and mutilate the rape victims.

SpiritualPilgrim · Apr 8, 2006

JustJack! said:
I'm sorry, but I believe in a thing called justice.

With Christianity, you can kill a dozen people, accept Christ, and go right on to heaven while the people you butchered are writhing hell simply because they believe in Jesus.

Might as well be giving rapists medals while we beat and mutilate the rape victims.

I, too, believe in a thing called justice, JustJack!, but if it is not a justice tempered with mercy, then it is a justice not befitting the revealed God of the Bible.

Would you like to be on the receiving end of that type of justice, yourself. Think about this, for example. Biblically, no one sin is better or worse than another in God's eyes. So if God were hung up on justice, rather than mercy, if you ever uttered an obscenity, or even thought about making love outside of marriage, you'd be in danger of that merciless justice. As Matthew 7:1-2 indicates, if we make judgments, we will ourselves be judged by our own measuring stick.

Believe me when I tell you, brother, there is no intention on my part to flame on you in this post, by any means. I'm just giving you some food for thought.

Pseudo · Apr 8, 2006

I think I've got a pretty good example of a serial killer... The Apostle Paul.

He killed Christians left right and centre until "the scales fell from his eyes", so to speak.

My answer: God is more merciful than us.

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