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i did pick that up. i respect freedom of speech so i dont blame you for coming here for a debateThis is one of the areas of the forum that allows us non-Christians to post.
You’re arguing morality. My argument is legality. Where does the Constitution say—or even imply—that the unborn are “persons” as that term is used in the 14th Amendment? Conservatives have repeatedly criticized liberal SCOTUS decisions for reading things into the Constitution that aren’t there. If you think the unborn have Constitutional rigjts then you’re doing the same thing. BTW, the Dobbs decision didn’t criminalize elective abortion. It recognized that the unborn are not legal persons at the national level, and left their status to be determined by each state individually.how do you know if an unborn baby (you will say a fetus), is not a person? you're taking the chance of killing a person. if the mother's life is not on the line, it is immoral to commit abortion because you are risking death of another human
The Dobbs decision left abortion law open to the feds as well.You’re arguing morality. My argument is legality. Where does the Constitution say—or even imply—that the unborn are “persons” as that term is used in the 14th Amendment? Conservatives have repeatedly criticized liberal SCOTUS decisions for reading things into the Constitution that aren’t there. If you think the unborn have Constitutional rigjts then you’re doing the same thing. BTW, the Dobbs decision didn’t criminalize elective abortion. It recognized that the unborn are not legal persons at the national level, and left their status to be determined by each state individually.
do you believe i have the ability to affect the constitution?You’re arguing morality. My argument is legality. Where does the Constitution say—or even imply—that the unborn are “persons” as that term is used in the 14th Amendment? Conservatives have repeatedly criticized liberal SCOTUS decisions for reading things into the Constitution that aren’t there. If you think the unborn have Constitutional rigjts then you’re doing the same thing. BTW, the Dobbs decision didn’t criminalize elective abortion. It recognized that the unborn are not legal persons at the national level, and left their status to be determined by each state individually.
If you believe the unborn are persons, and elective abortion should be prohibited nationwide, the proper and most secure way to do that is with a Constitutional amendment. Get to work.
Not by yourself. But if you're serious about prohibiting abortion nationwide you can work with pro-life groups to educate people and align their values and attitudes in sync with your way of thinking. The 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote, was the product of a bottom-up grass roots movement. It took time--70 years or so. But it happened.do you believe i have the ability to affect the constitution?
this is a christian forum. i mean what dont you get about that? this is kinda the time and place to do that.BTW: I'd cool it with the religious talk. You'll turn people off with the fire and brimstone ranting.
Yes they are.Embryos are not people.
That depends on the reason. If the mother contracts an illness that may be worsened by the pregnancy (I worked in health care 40+ years and I’ve seen several such cases) then the answer is no. Ditto if the mother needs treatment that may cause a miscarriage or fetal malformation (such as radiation and some chemotherapy.) And the same if the pregnancy resulted from sexual assault. I’ll admit it’s morally dicier to terminate a healthy pregnancy for purely socioeconomic reasons. Or if a pregnant woman is forced to seek an abortion by her husband, boyfriend, or family. Which is fairly common. But as I stated in an earlier post, up to 20 weeks of gestation, abortion should be a private medical decision between a woman and her doctor. It’s no business of the government or anyone else.also, i wanna circle back to a question i asked earlier. if an unborn baby is a life, then wouldnt killing it be murder in a moral sense?
you're still sidestepping the main point of moralityBut as I stated in an earlier post, up to 20 weeks of gestation, abortion should be a private medical decision between a woman and her doctor. It’s no business of the government or anyone else.
Biblical quotes are not a valid argument. Still, this one ignores the fact that conception occurs in the fallopian tube, not the womb. But since you've admitted that life begins after conception, the only question is, how long after conception?Yes they are.
Psalm 139
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
This seems to imply that we lack free will, and that everything is preordained.all the days ordained for me were written in your book
A child that has been born is a human being, so it's society's business when murder occurs. An embryo is not a human being, because it lacks the capacity to breath, think, and receive sensory input.you're still sidestepping the main point of morality
if a woman gives birth to a child of a few days and kills it, why should it be "my business"?
A child that has been born is a human being, so it's society's business when murder occurs. An embryo is not a human being, because it lacks the capacity to breath, think, and receive sensory input.
The study was in the last few months of pregnancy. So it supports the view that the pre-born are infact "human beings" as many seem to want to argue that they're not.I'm talking about embryos, not the last few weeks of pregnancy, when high brain function is present. Also, Roe vs Wade didn't apply to that later stage.
why is it my business if a pre-born is murdered?A child that has been born is a human being, so it's society's business when murder occurs. An embryo is not a human being, because it lacks the capacity to breath, think, and receive sensory input.
A child that has been born is a human being, so it's society's business when murder occurs. An embryo is not a human being, because it lacks the capacity to breath, think, and receive sensory input.
i dont see atheists arguing for abortion at the last moment. this implies they dont care for it to be illegalWho said it was? Should it be?
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