Once every few years vs. someone standing over you daily, the latter of which being what was being alleged above.
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After learning of the questioning to get a temple recommend, I find this hard to believe.
It's literally an interview with pre-written questions about submitting to the authorities of your religion. How is this not legalism?
The main theme of the Bible and the Book of Mormon is to LOVE God and keep His commandments.
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)That's certainly not the main theme of the Bible.
The main theme of the Bible is Jesus Christ, "You search the Scriptures since in these you believe you have eternal life, it is these which bear witness to Me."
-CryptoLutheran
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)
13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Without the atonement no one would be saved. That being said let us review what Jesus had to say about the commandments:Context context context.
The "whole matter" being the content which "The Teacher" had been going on about.
It's often believed that this little bit of positivity added to the end of Ecclesiastes is an amendation from a later editor, given the immense pessimism of the text. Giving a, "So if everything is so meaningless in life, what does matter?" Well, what does matter, from a Jewish perspective, is honoring God and observing God's Torah. Since observing Torah is the covenant identity of the Jewish people. But wanna take a guess as to what the point of the covenant, the point of the Torah, is?
Just curious, are you really trying to argue that keeping commandments is more important than Jesus? Because if that's really what you are trying to argue here, then that certainly speaks volumes. And it's not good.
-CryptoLutheran
Without the atonement no one would be saved. That being said let us review what Jesus had to say about the commandments:
(New Testament | John 14:15 - 24)
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Without the atonement no one would be saved. That being said let us review what Jesus had to say about the commandments:
(New Testament | John 14:15 - 24)
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
You said: "It's often believed that this little bit of positivity added to the end of Ecclesiastes is an amendation from a later editor, given the immense pessimism of the text. Giving a, "So if everything is so meaningless in life, what does matter?" Well, what does matter, from a Jewish perspective, is honoring God and observing God's Torah. Since observing Torah is the covenant identity of the Jewish people. But wanna take a guess as to what the point of the covenant, the point of the Torah, is?"Context context context.
The "whole matter" being the content which "The Teacher" had been going on about.
It's often believed that this little bit of positivity added to the end of Ecclesiastes is an amendation from a later editor, given the immense pessimism of the text. Giving a, "So if everything is so meaningless in life, what does matter?" Well, what does matter, from a Jewish perspective, is honoring God and observing God's Torah. Since observing Torah is the covenant identity of the Jewish people. But wanna take a guess as to what the point of the covenant, the point of the Torah, is?
Just curious, are you really trying to argue that keeping commandments is more important than Jesus? Because if that's really what you are trying to argue here, then that certainly speaks volumes. And it's not good.
-CryptoLutheran
We all have busy lives and we don't read all of the posts.Yeah, good luck with that...I used to ask that they take into account the context and traditional interpretations of things, and then I'd wait...and wait...and wait...until I eventually learned to just assert things and leave links to full texts to back up those assertions, because otherwise...
I thought It was made very clear by the verses I quoted that those who LOVE Jesus Christ will keep the commandments and those who do not LOVE Him will not keep the commandments. As a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints I believe that keeping the commandments is the way to show LOVE for Jesus Christ. Does anyone have a better way to show how much they LOVE Jesus? I remember what Jesus taught:Now, see, I woudln't think that pointing out that the point of the Bible is Jesus would be controversial. It's certainly not controversial among mainstream Christian churches, regardless of denomination or tradition. From East to West, from Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism that Jesus is the point--the point of the Bible, the point of religion, the point of, well, everything really isn't a controversial idea.
The Bible is about Jesus.
The Gospel is about Jesus.
Every facet of Christian ritual and practice is about Jesus.
We've divided the year up into seasons, all which are about Jesus.
None of this should be controversial. After all ours is the religion of Jesus Christ. Our faith is upon Jesus Christ. Our devotion, our hope, our life is in Jesus Christ. From borning cry to final breath, it is all Jesus Christ.
That doesn't seem to be the message I'm getting from you about your religious persuasion. Jesus seems to be more tangential, more of a side-figure, Jesus is more utilitarian, a means to an end, not the end itself.
Is Jesus the point of Mormonism?
Because Jesus is the point of Catholicism.
Jesus is the point of Orthodoxy.
Jesus is the point of Lutheranism.
Jesus is the point of Anglicanism.
Jesus is the point of Presbyterianism.
Et al.
And this shouldn't be a hard question to answer either. This should be the easiest question for anyone who calls themselves a Christian to be able to answer.
-CryptoLuthearn
I like to keep things simple and cut to the chase. There is no sense to complicate the gospel:I'm referring to posts that get replied to and the low quality, context-denying/ignoring replies that often follow well-thought out posts by my Christian brothers and sisters.
I thought It was made very clear by the verses I quoted that those who LOVE Jesus Christ will keep the commandments and those who do not LOVE Him will not keep the commandments. As a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints I believe that keeping the commandments is the way to show LOVE for Jesus Christ. Does anyone have a better way to show how much they LOVE Jesus? I remember what Jesus taught:
(New Testament | Matthew 25:40)
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
I did say I was a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.This is a lot of words to not answer the question, especially from someone who just wrote about not "complicating" the gospel.
Is Jesus the point of Mormonism or not?
Without the atonement no one would be saved. That being said let us review what Jesus had to say about the commandments:
(New Testament | John 14:15-24) .....
I did say I was a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.
(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 4:5)
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
(New Testament | Colossians 1:28 - 29)
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
I did say I was a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.
(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 4:5)
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
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