Can God self Terminate?

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

The angels are under HIS SOVEREIGNTY as well and are fellow servants with us who hold to the TESTIMONY

And in fact GOD even commanded all HIS angels to worship THE SON

So. I guess I trying to make it clear that HE is the WAY unto the Presence of GOD alone so that a man understands it is only through HIS wounds we are healed and so that no man will think that he can enter into the Presence of GOD any other WAY but through THE VEIL (which is HIS BODY)

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

There will be no other manifestation of GOD but THE ONE who came forth from GOD

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

miknik5 said:
I'm trying to understand how you are inferring that HE has somehow vanished and has become no more than just like the angels who can manifest them when they choose

None of these angels stand before the throne of GOD and actually block the entrance before the throne of GOD

I did not say that he is identical to the angels. How do you reach that conclusion? The ability to do what angels had done doesn't make Jesus a mere angel? What Christian would ever say such a thing? It just shows that he also can do what they do if deemed necessary. Your premise is seriously flawed.

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

miknik5 said:
The angels are under HIS SOVEREIGNTY as well and are fellow servants with us who hold to the TESTIMONY

And in fact GOD even commanded all HIS angels to worship THE SON

So. I guess I trying to make it clear that HE is the WAY unto the Presence of GOD alone so that a man understands it is only through HIS wounds we are healed and so that no man will think that he can enter into the Presence of GOD any other WAY but through THE VEIL (which is HIS BODY)

Your attempt to clarify is unnecessary since I never as much as insinuated that Jesus is a mere angel. In fact, all my previous posts to YOU have clearly identified him as my Lord and Savior. So because of this you come across as flaming. Especially since I clearly identify myself as a Christian. Stop JUDGING!

Also: It's not Radrock it's Radrook.

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

miknik5 said:
There will be no other manifestation of GOD but THE ONE who came forth from GOD

No one here has claimed otherwise!

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

miknik5 said:
The angels are under HIS SOVEREIGNTY as well and are fellow servants with us who hold to the TESTIMONY

And in fact GOD even commanded all HIS angels to worship THE SON

So. I guess I trying to make it clear that HE is the WAY unto the Presence of GOD alone so that a man understands it is only through HIS wounds we are healed and so that no man will think that he can enter into the Presence of GOD any other WAY but through THE VEIL (which is HIS BODY)

You are creating strawman arguments and attributing them to me and then attacking them.

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

miknik5 said:
Please supply at least one scripture which talks about anything outside of GOD being eternal

Even the earth and the heavens will pass

And Romans 8 actually states that all creation was made subject to decay

There may be a cycle but according to GOD's WORD it is not forever

And those who hope in HIM do not have their hopes in this and the things of this world

How does the restoration of all things to their former pristine condition indicate an ENDLESS cycle?

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

Radrook said:
I did not say that he is identical to the angels. How do you reach that conclusion? The ability to do what angels had done doesn't make Jesus a mere angel? What Christian would ever say such a thing? It just shows that he also can do what they do if deemed necessary. Your premise is seriously flawed.

Angels can do nothing nor can they rise above GOD to say that while you have heard it said, (overriding GOD's WORD)

BUT I SAY TO YOU

They never would do this
Nor can angels claim that all along scriptures were referring to them

And yet CHRIST said these things
And even before HE was crucified

Reference MATTHEW 5 and JOHN 5

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

Nor would it ever be written OF an angel that they will magnify THE LAW and make it honorable

Or that they are a HIGH PRISST forever in the order of Melchizadek (which was simply a shadow forespoken of as a sign pointing us to CHRIST)

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

For all who reply to this thread. Please accept my explanations when I provide them and do not insist that I am claiming things that I am not. That will make the thread more productive via the exchange of ideas and will avoid cluttering it with irrelevancies. Thanks!

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

Radrook said:
How does the restoration of all things to their former pristine condition indicate an ENDLESS cycle?

Radrook. Follow the posts. I'm not the one who suggested an endless cycle I simply responded to the one who did quoting scripture that clearly states that there is an end to the order of these things when HE makes all
Things new

It appears that you also are having an issue with my posts and insinuating things of me that are not true

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

toLiJC said:
there is a lot of testimony about it in the Bible, albeit (appearing to be) fragmentary, not as the very well organized information in the perfect textbooks

Blessings

@toLiJC suggested this endless cycle

Not me

And in fact you responded to him but then accused be of suggesting this

Please also read the posts so that you will not accuse others incorrectly of saying things that they never said
Thank you!

miknik5 · Nov 5, 2016

Goodbye Radrook

Good luck to you in getting the answer that you want

Radrook · Nov 5, 2016

toLiJC said:
there is a lot of testimony about it in the Bible, albeit (appearing to be) fragmentary, not as the very well organized information in the perfect textbooks

Blessings

Can you please show the testimony.

toLiJC · Nov 5, 2016

miknik5 said:
HE is the beginning and the end just as HE is the resurrection and the life andcall men will have their beginning and end in HIM

..,or not

That also will be decided at the end of all these things

When all has been accomplished:

That is, when the full numbers in Christ are complete and He has put the last of His enemies under Him

this is already decided, which is exactly why God says: "it is done."(Revelation 21:6), because "i am the beginning and the end, the first and the last" says He speaking about Himself, not about me or you or anyone else, though thus talking also about the destiny(-ies) of us, the souls, i.e. His life also has a span(cycle), otherwise, if it wasn't so, there would be no beginning and end - it is like a revolving wheel (moving constantly in a circle on its axis), making full revolutions, and there must, of course, be some point that marks the end as well as the next beginning, at least as a measure, of the process of that wheel's repetitive revolution, because there is no other way for such a wheel to make full revolutions, otherwise there would be talk just about rotation, not (about) revolution, because no revolution would matter at all, and as it is with such a wheel, so it is with the eternity - it begins again whenever it ends, and all things that happened already happened before i.e. in every earlier eternity, because eternity is like a dvd with one movie always playing in repeat mode, and all scenes of the movie always repeat in exactly the same way as ever before, because nothing changes or is changed - it is a constant process, only the actors(i.e. the souls) are transposed/alternated as to the(ir) roles(i.e. positions) so that sooner or later every soul supersedes any other in position, personality and destiny, from this perspective all souls of the infinite universe are logically arranged in a circle(logical circle) that moves (spinning step by step like clock hands) one step forward every successive eternity, of course this doesn't mean there is nothing we can do, because we can at least work for overall salvation in the true One, which is the assurance we have from God that we will not suffer in next/future eternities at the time we prevent the suffering(s) for our neighbors(townsmen/cohabitants) in this eternity, yes, it depends also on what we do now/at every moment for others, not only on God...

Blessings

toLiJC · Nov 5, 2016

Radrook said:
How do you derive eternal cycles from those scriptures?

here are some verses for example:

Revelation 19:3 (Aramaic Bible in PE) "her smoke ascends to the eternity of eternities.",

Revelation 22:5 (Aramaic Bible in PE) "he is their King for the eternity of eternities."

Blessings

toLiJC · Nov 5, 2016

Radrook said:
Can you please show the testimony.

here are some passages about it:

Ecclesiastes 3:14-15 "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been(i.e. that which happened in the previous eternity as well as in every earlier eternity) is now(i.e. the same happens in this eternity); and that which is to be(i.e. and that which will happen in the next eternity as well as in every future eternity) hath already been(i.e. already happened in the previous eternity as well as in every earlier eternity, and even in this); and God requireth that which is past.",

Ecclesiastes 9:2-3 "It is the same for all. There is one fate for the righteous and for the wicked; for the good, for the clean and for the unclean; for the man who offers a sacrifice and for the one who does not sacrifice. As the good man is, so is the sinner; as the swearer is, so is the one who is afraid to swear(i.e. because every soul will be in the place of any other, in the same position and with the same personality as well as with the same destiny of the other). This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that there is one fate for all men(i.e. in the course of the countless rotations/revolutions of eternity)."

Blessings

Jonathan Mathews · Nov 5, 2016

Can light put out light? No. Neither can God destroy Himself. The Word of God has already given us this answer....

1) God CANNOT Lie:
Hebrews 6:18 , 1 Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, Titus 1:2

2) God says He has not, does not, and will not change, from everlasting to everlasting:
Psalms 103:17 , Psalms 90:2 , Malachi 3:6 , Isaiah 40:8 , Isaiah 43:10

3) God existed before the beginning, and He will exist after the end. He is FOREVER, in ALL directions and all "tenses" of the verb "exist", pre-, present-, and post-
Genesis 1:1, Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, Revelation 22:13

4) Not only does GOD live forever, YOU WILL TOO if you do His Will.

1 John 2:17
"The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever."

thesunisout · Nov 6, 2016

Radrook said:
Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

Since God has always existed, and always will exist, there has never been a time and never will be a time that He will not exist. It would actually be impossible that He would not exist, because He said He is eternal and it is impossible for Him to lie.

Radrook · Nov 6, 2016

thesunisout said:
Since God has always existed, and always will exist, there has never been a time and never will be a time that He will not exist. It would actually be impossible that He would not exist, because He said He is eternal and it is impossible for Him to lie.

Very good point. Also he is described as the blessed or happy God. So there is actually no motive for him to desire non-existence.

Can God self Terminate?

"Let not your heart be troubled"

"Let not your heart be troubled"

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

"Let not your heart be troubled"

"Let not your heart be troubled"

Well-Known Member

"Let not your heart be troubled"

"Let not your heart be troubled"

"Let not your heart be troubled"

Well-Known Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Well-Known Member

growing in grace

Well-Known Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency