what caused God to banish his most loved angel, Satan? If the Bible speaks about forgiving people, why couldn't God forgive his favorite angel?If he repent and accept jesus his Savior,God will forgive him 
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Can God Forgive Satan or Can Satan Ask For Forgiveness?
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what caused God to banish his most loved angel, Satan? If the Bible speaks about forgiving people, why couldn't God forgive his favorite angel?If he repent and accept jesus his Savior,God will forgive him
Christ died for man kind not fallen Angels.
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SaintJoeNow
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No and no.
Revelation 20:7-10.... And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:7-10.... And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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Dear lambofgod25. God is Love, and Satan runs away from Love, that tells us
that Satan would never ask God for forgiveness. We know that God does not force anybody to do His Will, God wants our love freely given. Your question is unanswerable. I say this with love, lambofgod. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
that Satan would never ask God for forgiveness. We know that God does not force anybody to do His Will, God wants our love freely given. Your question is unanswerable. I say this with love, lambofgod. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
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Dear Sister,
i dont like anybody burning in hell.Our God is loving God.I hope satan repent and our God forgive him.
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Avid
A Pilgrim and a Sojourner...
It is hard to answer this, and the depth of it may require more study than you are interested in doing. You should have an understanding of Good, Love, Wickedness and Evil. The best thing I can think of to say to you is consider the love your father (dad) has for you. If he sees something that will hurt you, he will try to protect you from it. If he sees something that will ruin or kill you, he will be vicious in opposing and stopping it from coming anywhere near you. If there is someone out to kill you, he would not stand around and discuss issues of right and wrong, and try to convert the felon. He will do what is necessary to protect you.what caused God to banish his most loved angel, Satan? If the Bible speaks about forgiving people, why couldn't God forgive his favorite angel?If he repent and accept jesus his Savior,God will forgive him
Isaiah 14
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Ezekiel 28
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
This great angel was given charge of a third of the angels in Heaven. He was beautiful, and powerful, but he CHOSE to be against God. This was not like you saying, "I'm not sure I like God being in charge of everything I do!" This angel looked God in the face, and knew exactly what he was doing. 9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Ezekiel 28
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
He did not make a mistake; he was overcome with the essence of wickedness. He was the one who initiated all wickedness, and he was the one who invented lying, murder and every other thing you dislike. It was because of him that Hell was even created.
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Dear Sister,
i dont like anybody burning in hell.Our God is loving God.I hope satan repent and our God forgive him.
Are you more righteous then than God? satan has already been judged, one of his names is son of PERDITION which means son of the damned.
Did your parents not love you because they punished you? WHy can God not be a loving God if He punishes people? God is also a God of Justice.
Hell is a place God has completely removed Him Self from. The further you are from God the more hell your in, because that is what hell is to be with out God. Everything good comes from God, so hell is place of everything bad and no life because God is life. Pain is not good so hell has pain where as Heaven has no pain. Get it? They did not want God so they do not get God and to be with out God is hell.
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A Pilgrim and a Sojourner...
Satan, who was created "Lucifer," or the "Angel of Light," is the god of this world. There are other angels in his hierarchy that are spoken of by name in scripture. These are doing the will of their leader. These are not happy, but are in unity for the work of wickedness as led by the Devil, Satan.
Do you, lambofgod25, know what that nation's name is? Do you know why going along with the methods and direction of the Devil actually destroys every human social structure, from the family to the government of nations?
II Corinthians 4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For people walking this Earth in this life, this is the enemy of our souls, and of our civilizations. BAAL is a category of dark spiritual power. There is Baal-Peor, and Beelzebub, which are working to destroy you, to destroy civilizations, societies, and human governments. There has only been ONE nation that allowed Baal to take over the direction of their morality and society that has ever been recovered, and reconciled with God.3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Do you, lambofgod25, know what that nation's name is? Do you know why going along with the methods and direction of the Devil actually destroys every human social structure, from the family to the government of nations?
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Skala
I'm a Saint. Not because of me, but because of Him
what caused God to banish his most loved angel, Satan? If the Bible speaks about forgiving people, why couldn't God forgive his favorite angel?If he repent and accept jesus his Savior,God will forgive him
God does whatever He wants to do.
If God didn't save an angel (or even a human) it's because He didn't want to.
Mercy is something God does voluntarily, he is not obligated to anyone, it is not owed to anyone.
Justice, however, is obligatory. And God desires to express not just his mercy, but his justice too.
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joshuanazar
Servant
Mercy is just as obligatory as justice. Both mercy and justice is one of the many characteristics that God gives definition to. They are all apart of him and he cannot deny himself. Sure God says that he will have mercy on those he has mercy on. But it also says that God is not a respecter of persons, he has no favoritism. God wants all men to come to repentance because of this and his love for angelic beings is no greater than his love for us. The problem is that these angels knew God one hundred percent. they walked with him, talked with him, and then while knowing the entirety of God's grace and love, they rebelled. So really what could convince them to repent that they didn't already know about God? Now we on the other hand do not know God or his love perfectly. Most of our sins are done in complete ignorance, the rest are done in partial ignorance.
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Dear Sister,
i dont like anybody burning in hell.Our God is loving God.I hope satan repent and our God forgive him.
Hi,
Extremely nice thoughts, yours are. It seems all that God made was good at one time. I don't recall when He made the angels or the powers in heaven, but I can't imagine them being made bad. Also if you remember after God made all of Creation, He called it good. So, again I am sure Lucifer as he was made, was in fact good.
Now, should not God get you back in the same condition that he made something? Should the thing made say to God, you did not make me. Does a thing, you or me or and angel have the right in any way shape or form to tell his/her maker that they do not owe their maker everything, inclucing their loyalty?
If God is Good as we are told and see, then nothing can oppose the fact that they owe their everything to that God. Nothing.
So your point is extremely valid, if you are saying one day, God should get back Lucifer, now called Satan, in exactly the same condition that He made him in.
Now there is at least one person in existence, that I know of, who has asked God to please take Satan back, of course after he is changed to what he should be, which is good. I certainly hope both that person and God get Satan back, in that angel's original condition.
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .
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NewEnglandGirl
Putting on God's Full Armor
Jesus did not come to earth fallen angels. He came to earth for humanity, for us. We don't know the exact circumstances of why how Satan fell and was banished. We know from the bible that because of his pride he wanted to become God and remove God from his throne. That is probably a very extremely, simplified explanation that any human being could understand. Perhaps Satan's (or Lucifer's) heart is SO hardened that he would NEVER turn from his evil and repent. Anyway, whether God will or would actually forgive him seems to be a moot point. As far as we know from the bible he will be condemned to eternal punishment. That is all that I need to know.
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Concerning angels and humans.I would like to ask a question on the two. Does God love angels at all? If he does is it different toward them than it is toward us? Does God see them as friends or just servants? I've always been very curious about this. And can angels fall today?
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I do not know, and I do not want to know, Jesus asked us to not judge, so I will not, and why not pray for the evil to became good, if evil became good there will be not temptation, and we live in heaven, Utopia?
Yes!
But nothing stop you to try.
Yes!
But nothing stop you to try.
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Avid
A Pilgrim and a Sojourner...
I do not read in scripture that it is an issue. God created man for a specific purpose, and He has expressed His love for man in a number of ways.
There seems to have been only one angel (cherub) that had the ability to so choose. If Michael or Gabriel, also, were able to choose, I do not know where that was written. The angels that were under the authority of Lucifer went with him, and it seems they had no choice, or were all in agreement before actually doing that.
It does not seem that angels are in situation where this is an option. they certainly are not like man. They are not in a situation where the fallen can be recovered, and the loyal can decide to rebel. It is often mistaken that angels are like people. It is people who maintain this confusion, as it is seldom even discussed in scripture.
This is a large subject with not much scripture, giving the impression that it is not very important to us. As long as we understand that God is on one side with His loyal angels, and that Stan is on the other side with angels that rebelled with him, we have the most important info on the subject.
If you are seriously interested in seeing more Good Info on the subject, send me a PM, and I'll discuss it with you.
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dysert
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Scripture is silent on all your questions, but I think we can make some educated guesses...
Probably. After all, God is love (1 John 4:16). Plus, it would be hard not to love someone who was constantly worshiping and praising you (Rev. 4:8).
Probably. After all, He did not come as an angel to redeem angels.
Probably as servants. All throughout Scripture God seems intimately interested in man, but not so with angels. The word "angel" means "messenger", so my guess is that He sees them as servants created to do His will in interacting with man.
I don't think angels can fall today. Can you imagine the havoc that would cause? Furthermore, I think God sealed their decision whether to rebel or not back in the day when Lucifer rebelled. There is precedent for this because God seals our decision whether to accept Him at the point of our death.
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Skala
I'm a Saint. Not because of me, but because of Him
Not only do I think you not understand mercy, but also your understanding of certain Bible verses is way off. Mercy is never obligatory, not even for a God who delights in mercy. You didn't think through your argument very far, because if I copy/paste your own argument and use it against you, I have a very nice argument for universalism.
The irony is, even in your own view, God doesn't save everyone. So there goes your argument.
For starters, the verses about "God not showing favoritism" has nothing to do with a denial of election, it simply says God does not show favoritism for Jews over Gentiles (Acts 10:34) (ie, he saves both kinds of people), and in Rom 2:11 it is talking about how God does not show favoritism in punishment - he punishes both Jews and Gentiles for doing evil.
When it says "God wants all men to come to repentance" in 2 Peter 3:9 it is talking about the elect that Peter has already established. Read verse 1. He is talking to the elect that he has written 1st and 2nd Peter to. Follow the pronouns from verse 1 to verse 9. Thus when he says "God is patient towards YOU, not wishing any to perish, but all to come repentance", the "YOU" is aimed at the people he is writing his letter to: the elect. Context.
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Yet God is willing all be saved. It never once says just the elect you are adding to God's word. Fact is some are not saved because they don't want to be saved. Sure everyone wants the good life in Heaven, but not everyone wants God. God gave them a place He removed Himself from. Are we to blame God because a person does not want Him? Its the persons fault not God's.
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