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Can God Create An Object Too Heavy For Him To Lift?

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From a Christian standpoint, for me personally, I haven't been much experienced with controversy in a huge debate and this definitely stumped me. But as a Christian, if you were asked this, how would you respond in a manner that doesn't refute God in any way?

Can God create an object too heavy for Him to lift?
 

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Can God Create An Object Too Heavy For Him To Lift?

From a Christian standpoint, for me personally, I haven't been much experienced with controversy in a huge debate and this definitely stumped me. But as a Christian, if you were asked this, how would you respond in a manner that doesn't refute God in any way?



Can God create an object too heavy for Him to lift?

Do you know what "omnipotent" means?

Thank you kindly.
 
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All powerful?

om·nip·o·tent

almighty or infinite in power, as God.
having very great or unlimited authority or power.
an omnipotent being.
God.

Thank you kindly.
 
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Can God Create An Object Too Heavy For Him To Lift?

Do you know what "omnipotent" means?

Thank you kindly.

All powerful?
Sounds pretty close to the term "Almighty"?

YLT) Genesis 35:11
And said to him: "I am God almighty, increase thou and be multiplied.
Nations and peoples of nations shall be from thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins."

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2 Corin 6:18
And I shall be to ye as a father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters is saying Lord almighty/pantokratwr <3841>.

Reve 19:6
And I hear as sound of a vast throng and as sound of many waters and as sound of strong thunders saying "allelouia! that reigns LORD the GOD, the almighty"/panto-kratwr <3841>.


http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3841&t=KJV
[Used 10 times. 9 Times in Revelation, and 1 time 2 Corin 6:18].


3841. pantokrator pan-tok-rat'-ore from 3956 and 2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign):--Almighty, Omnipotent.
3839. pante pan'-tay adverb (of manner) from 3956; wholly:--always.
2904. kratos krat'-os perhaps a primary word; vigor ("great") (literally or figuratively):--dominion, might(-ily), power, strength.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence

The word "Omnipotence" derives from the Latin term "Omni Potens", meaning "All-Powerful" instead of "Infinite Power" implied by its English counterpart. The term could be applied to both deities and Roman Emperors. Being the one with "All the power",
it was not uncommon for nobles to attempt to prove their Emperor's "Omni Potens" to the people, by demonstrating his effectiveness at leading the Empire.[3].........
 
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So, he could never make a rock so big, he couldn't move it?
Maybe HE did and we just don't see it.....

Btw, nice username.....[did you mean to put a "B" instead of an "H" in there?] ehehehe................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

A common modern version of the omnipotence paradox is expressed in the question: "Can [an omnipotent being] create a stone so heavy that it cannot lift it?" This question generates a dilemma. The being can either create a stone it cannot lift, or it cannot create a stone it cannot lift. If the being can create a stone that it cannot lift, then it seems that it can cease to be omnipotent. If the being cannot create a stone it cannot lift, then it seems it is already not omnipotent.[1] But, if the question is inherently required by the concept of omnipotence, then it seems the logic that allows it to be inherently required is a paradox, since the particular concept of omnipotence that requires it is a paradox.

In short, the act of seeming to find that omnipotence is a contradiction-of-terms is founded on the act of conceiving something to construct the contradiction against. Prior to any act, omnipotence is conceived as coherent both with itself and with the possibility of knowledge (which raises the question of what is the knowledge that constitutes the identifiability of omnipotence-as-a-paradox?).

However, whether the concept of omnipotence itself is a material paradox—or is simply too obscure to us to preclude being construed by paradoxical thinking—the central omnipotence paradox issue is whether the concept of 'logically possible' is different for a world in which omnipotence exists than in a world in which omnipotence does not exist. This is the central issue because our sense of material paradox—and of the logical contradiction that material paradox expresses—are functions of the fact that we presuppose that something must exists that is inherently meaningful or logica. That is, something concrete not a compound of other things or concepts...................
 
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Sounds pretty close to the term "Almighty"?

YLT) Genesis 35:11
And said to him: "I am God almighty, increase thou and be multiplied.
Nations and peoples of nations shall be from thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins."

\

2 Corin 6:18
And I shall be to ye as a father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters is saying Lord almighty/pantokratwr <3841>.

Reve 19:6
And I hear as sound of a vast throng and as sound of many waters and as sound of strong thunders saying "allelouia! that reigns LORD the GOD, the almighty"/panto-kratwr <3841>.


http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3841&t=KJV
[Used 10 times. 9 Times in Revelation, and 1 time 2 Corin 6:18].


3841. pantokrator pan-tok-rat'-ore from 3956 and 2904; the all-ruling, i.e. God (as absolute and universal sovereign):--Almighty, Omnipotent.
3839. pante pan'-tay adverb (of manner) from 3956; wholly:--always.
2904. kratos krat'-os perhaps a primary word; vigor ("great") (literally or figuratively):--dominion, might(-ily), power, strength.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence

The word "Omnipotence" derives from the Latin term "Omni Potens", meaning "All-Powerful" instead of "Infinite Power" implied by its English counterpart. The term could be applied to both deities and Roman Emperors. Being the one with "All the power",
it was not uncommon for nobles to attempt to prove their Emperor's "Omni Potens" to the people, by demonstrating his effectiveness at leading the Empire.[3].........

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So, he could never make a rock so big, he couldn't move it?

notice that you stated could "He" make...if He creates...He certainly is more infinitely powerful than anything He "creates", is He not? Would it BE possible for the Creator to create something more "powerful" than He is, since He is the One Who "created" it, brought it into being?

Are you saying the "rock" He creates would be more omnipotent than He?

Thank you kindly.
 
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notice that you stated could "He" make...if He creates...He certainly is more infinitely powerful than anything He "creates", is He not? Would it BE possible for the Creator to create something more "powerful" than He is, since He is the One Who "created" it, brought it into being?

Are you saying the "rock" He creates would be more omnipotent than He?

Thank you kindly.
Only if he couldn't lift it.
 
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brinny said:
notice that you stated could "He" make...if He creates...He certainly is more infinitely powerful than anything He "creates", is He not? Would it BE possible for the Creator to create something more "powerful" than He is, since He is the One Who "created" it, brought it into being?

Are you saying the "rock" He creates would be more omnipotent than He?

Thank you kindly.

Only if he couldn't lift it.
Only if he couldn't lift it.

Omnipotent rock, eh?

If so, is the rock able to "create" God, since it would be "more" omnipotent than God, its Creator?

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Hi brin.
God/Jesus was also an omnipotent "despot". Interesting greek word [tho I am not sure of the Hebrew word equivalent]:

Young) 2 Peter 2:1
And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects;
and the Owner/Master/despothn <1203> who bought them denying/disowning, bringing to themselves quick destruction

[Jeremiah 14:14,15/Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4/Revelation 6:10]

Reve 6:10
And they cry out to a great voice saying "how long, the Owner/Master/despothV <1203> the Holy and True,
not Thou are judging and avenging the blood of us from out of the ones homing upon the land?"


http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1203&t=YLT
Strong's Number G1203 matches the Greek δεσπότης (despotēs), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance


Despot (from Greek: δεσπότης, despótēs, "lord", "master")[1][2][n 1] was a senior Byzantine court title that was bestowed on the sons or sons-in-law of reigning emperors, and initially denoted the heir-apparent.
From Byzantium it spread throughout the late medieval Balkans (Bulgarian and Serbian: деспот, despót), and was also granted in the states under Byzantine influence, such as the Latin Empire, Bulgaria, Serbia, and the Empire of Trebizond.

The original Greek term δεσπότης (despotēs) meant simply "lord" and was synonymous with κύριος (kyrios). As the Greek equivalent to the Latin dominus, despotēs was initially used as a form of address indicating respect.[6] As such it was applied to any person of rank, but in a more specific sense to God, bishops and the patriarchs, and primarily the Roman and Byzantine Emperors, occasionally used in formal settings, for example on coins (since Leo III the Isaurian) or formal documents.[6][7]


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Omnipotent rock, eh?

If so, is the rock able to "create" God, since it would be "more" omnipotent than God, its Creator?

Thank you kindly.
I have no prior examples of rocks creating god/s.

The question was; God could never create a rock he couldn't lift?
 
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Hi brin.
God/Jesus was also an omnipotent "despot". Interesting greek word [tho I am not sure of the Hebrew word equivalent]:

Young) 2 Peter 2:1
And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects;
and the Owner/Master/despothn <1203> who bought them denying/disowning, bringing to themselves quick destruction

[Jeremiah 14:14,15/Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4/Revelation 6:10]

Reve 6:10
And they cry out to a great voice saying "how long, the Owner/Master/despothV <1203> the Holy and True,
not Thou are judging and avenging the blood of us from out of the ones homing upon the land?"


http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1203&t=YLT
Strong's Number G1203 matches the Greek δεσπότης (despotēs), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance


Despot (from Greek: δεσπότης, despótēs, "lord", "master")[1][2][n 1] was a senior Byzantine court title that was bestowed on the sons or sons-in-law of reigning emperors, and initially denoted the heir-apparent.
From Byzantium it spread throughout the late medieval Balkans (Bulgarian and Serbian: деспот, despót), and was also granted in the states under Byzantine influence, such as the Latin Empire, Bulgaria, Serbia, and the Empire of Trebizond.

The original Greek term δεσπότης (despotēs) meant simply "lord" and was synonymous with κύριος (kyrios). As the Greek equivalent to the Latin dominus, despotēs was initially used as a form of address indicating respect.[6] As such it was applied to any person of rank, but in a more specific sense to God, bishops and the patriarchs, and primarily the Roman and Byzantine Emperors, occasionally used in formal settings, for example on coins (since Leo III the Isaurian) or formal documents.[6][7]


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interesting, and in the most bottom line way, omnipotent refers only to God Almighty, Creator, for it is He Who created aqll things...and therefore is above any human king or authority who bites da dust like any other finite being, cuz well, y'know dat one bitin' da dust is just finite, limited, and returns from da dust from whence he cameth, cuz we iz jus' dust in da wind, mon.

Omnipotent God, Creator, doesn't. It's like He gots da last word, mon.
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I have no prior examples of rocks creating god/s.

The question was; God could never create a rock he couldn't lift?

Interesting. Creator God is omnipotent. Is the rock?

Thank you kindly.
 
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