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what information is in a snowflake?
Each snowflake contains a geometric pattern. A collection of lines and angles that can be expressed mathematically. Any hexagonal snowflake isn't perfectly symmetrical, but it contains a symmetry, where one section can mostly identify the shape of the other five sections. The snowflake pattern can be used to identify the temperature and humidity around the snowflake as it formed, which is certainly information.what information is in a snowflake?
"Information" is a mathematical way of categorizing and describing patterns and shapes in nature. The information is the shape of the snowflake--just like DNA information is the shape of the molecule.what information is in a snowflake?
If your into poetry at all, you'll find a fair amount of interesting information in snowflakes there.what information is in a snowflake?
Don't feel like reading 38 pages of posts. Have you guys hashed out how the moth got it's owl eyes, yet?
That sounds like an acceptable amount of people to bring the discussion to a conclusion to me.
Then I guess you will be doomed to post in this thread until the day you die.Sadly, since none of us are the OP, we can't get the thread closed down without violating some kind of rule in a big way.
The internet has proven the answer to that question is a resounding “no.”A plan is irrelevant in this case.
You think a billion monkeys typing a billion letters per second on a billion typewriters is going To produce even just 1 legible page?
Then I guess you will be doomed to post in this thread until the day you die.
I am not convinced. The thought experiment speaks of monkeys. We have tried only humans so far.The internet has proven the answer to that question is a resounding “no.”
It's a matter of theology. Traditional Christians understand that God can act causally in ways that transcend and are independent of the sort of causality that science investigates. Consequently, a complete and fully explanatory naturalistic scientific theory for a phenomenon does not rule out the proximate action of divine providence. Thomas Aquinas is instructive on this point, dividing causality into necessary causes and contingent causes (the only kind of causality science can study.) Creationists for some reason have abandoned this metaphysic and seem to require God to act contingently, tinkering with genetic code and targeting mutations, etc. in order to carry out His purposes.Why indeed is there such bother? Those who see God is behind things accept that. Those who say there are mutations have evidence that shows that. But to say God is not there doing anything does not have evidence and saying it will not persuade others, just as any that would say there are not mutations that could express characteristics in future generations just do not accept the evidence there is and will not persuade the others who are in disagreement. But God and mutations are not mutually exclusive.
"How God is doing things."Why indeed is there such bother? Those who see God is behind things accept that. Those who say there are mutations have evidence that shows that. But to say God is not there doing anything does not have evidence and saying it will not persuade others, just as any that would say there are not mutations that could express characteristics in future generations just do not accept the evidence there is and will not persuade the others who are in disagreement. But God and mutations are not mutually exclusive.
"How God is doing things."
There many different understandings by those who do believe in God.
It's a matter of theology. Traditional Christians understand that God can act causally in ways that transcend and are independent of the sort of causality that science investigates. Consequently, a complete and fully explanatory naturalistic scientific theory for a phenomenon does not rule out the proximate action of divine providence. Thomas Aquinas is instructive on this point, dividing causality into necessary causes and contingent causes (the only kind of causality science can study.) Creationists for some reason have abandoned this metaphysic and seem to require God to act contingently, tinkering with genetic code and targeting mutations, etc. in order to carry out His purposes.
...I understand how cladistics are claimed. It has problems inherent to it. If there are ancestors to any clades they cannot be recognized. What would they be? They came from something else, for the clade to be. So no division can be shown according to its identified ancestor, no phylum can be shown according to its identified ancestor, no class can be shown according to its identified ancestor, no order can be shown according to its identified ancestor, no family can be shown according to its identified ancestor, and no genus can be shown according to its identified ancestor, that are each distinct from ancestral predecessors, which there must be for all of them with evolution of all life from common ancestors being the case.
So you're complaining that a clade doesn't work the way it's not meant to work. Clades are just convenient, arbitrary designations. Pick an organism, and all descendants of that organism belong to the same clade. It's not part of the whole phylum/family/genus/etc. system.
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