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Can anyone else feel grace?

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Dominus Fidelis

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Is it just me or can grace be felt? Almost even a physical feeling. Like if I am wandering away or doing something I shouldn't, sometimes I will get a strong motivation to go to Mass or to pray or something.

The latest example is my faith getting re-energized out of the blue on the day of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Anyone else know what I am talking about? :scratch:
 

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DoF, peace be with you.

Yes. Grace can most certainly be felt. At times, the saints would feel it so much to the point where their bodies were paralyzed and they would lay prostrate in exctacy, motionless for hours on end. At other times, God would remove His consolation and they would feel the complete absense of God.

When God sends His consolation, it is quite a beautiful thing. But it is important not to get caught up in the emotional apsect of it and rely soley only on what we 'feel', which I'm afraid is what maintstream christianity tends to do in today's age.
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It is easy to fall into the habit of seeking the consolations of God, rather than the God of consolations. We need to take heed and be very careful not to get stuck on this plane of thinking. When we seek consolation, we are only seeking emotional comfort, but God wants our love for Him to trancend humanity, beyond mere feelings and emotions. He wants our love for Him to grow to a point where even if He removed His consolations, we would still keep our focus on Him and be obedient to His word. This is true love; obedience through a pure heart, giving ourselves wholly to God while expecting nothing in return.
“Why do you seek rest when you are born to work? Dispose yourself to patience rather than to comfort and to carry the cross rather than to enjoyment” [Imitation of Christ, Thomas A. Kempis]

We must be careful in our steps, fully aware that Satan is the master of deception. If he can prevent us from getting to the meat by distracting us with the milk, that would be a great triumph for him. He would prefer keeping us at a level to that of a spiritual baby, who is only satisfied with the good taste of candy but neglects the essential nutrition it needs. This is how Satan can distort the good things our Father gives us, and this is why our Father must sometimes refrain from giving us the sweetness of His consolations so that we do not become totally dependent on them. We must therefore be cautious by nature, just as the Saints were, especially when it comes to emotions.

"The heart is more deceitful than all else” [Jer 17:9]

When God poured out His graces upon the Saints, they would embrace the tears of love with open hearts, but in full awareness that those feelings are fleeting. Through our own weakness, those consolations will inevitably fade, leaving us to our own devices. It is during these times that we must trust in God’s will in virtue and devotion to prayer, knowing that our greatest victory will be on the Day of Judgment; a victory that will far outweigh all the struggles we’ve experienced in this life.
 
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I believe I felt God's grace especially twice in my life. I posted it in the thread "Feeling Comforted"....Once this past weekend when my grandfather passed away and during my confirmation retreat. It wasa weightless, tingly feeling and I felt very comforted and knew God was there. :priest: :liturgy:
 
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St. Ignatius of Loyola -

RULES FOR PERCEIVING AND KNOWING IN SOME MANNER THE DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS WHICH ARE CAUSED IN THE SOUL

THE GOOD, TO RECEIVE THEM, AND THE BAD TO REJECT THEM. AND THEY ARE MORE PROPER FOR THE FIRST WEEK.

First Rule. The first Rule: In the persons who go from mortal sin to mortal sin, the enemy is commonly used to propose to them apparent pleasures, making them imagine sensual delights and pleasures in order to hold them more and make them grow in their vices and sins. In these persons the good spirit uses the opposite method, pricking them and biting their consciences through the process of reason.


Second Rule. The second: In the persons who are going on intensely cleansing their sins and rising from good to better in the service of God our Lord, it is the method contrary to that in the first Rule, for then it is the way of the evil spirit to bite, sadden and put obstacles, disquieting with false reasons, that one may not go on; and it is proper to the good to give courage and strength, consolations, tears, inspirations and quiet, easing, and putting away all obstacles, that one may go on in well doing.

Third Rule. The third: OF SPIRITUAL CONSOLATION. I call it consolation when some interior movement in the soul is caused, through which the soul comes to be inflamed with love of its Creator and Lord; and when it can in consequence love no created thing on the face of the earth in itself, but in the Creator of them all.

Likewise, when it sheds tears that move to love of its Lord, whether out of sorrow for one's sins, or for the Passion of Christ our Lord, or because of other things directly connected with His service and praise.

Finally, I call consolation every increase of hope, faith and charity, and all interior joy which calls and attracts to heavenly things and to the salvation of one's soul, quieting it and giving it peace in its Creator and Lord.

Fourth Rule. The fourth: OF SPIRITUAL DESOLATION. I call desolation all the contrary of the third[36] rule, such as darkness[37] of soul, disturbance in it, movement to things low and earthly, the unquiet of different agitations and temptations, moving to want of confidence, without hope, without love, when one finds oneself all lazy, tepid, sad, and as if separated from his Creator and Lord. Because, as consolation is contrary to desolation, in the same way the thoughts which come from consolation are contrary to the thoughts which come from desolation.

Fifth Rule. The fifth: In time of desolation never to make a change; but to be firm and constant in the resolutions and determination in which one was the day preceding such desolation, or in the determination in which he was in the preceding consolation. Because, as in consolation it is rather the good spirit who guides and counsels us, so in desolation it is the bad, with whose counsels we cannot take a course to decide rightly.

Sixth Rule. The sixth: Although in desolation we ought not to change our first resolutions, it is very helpful intensely to change ourselves against the same desolation, as by insisting more on prayer, meditation, on much examination, and by giving ourselves more scope in some suitable way of doing penance.

Seventh Rule. The seventh: Let him who is in desolation consider how the Lord has left him in trial in his natural powers, in order to resist the different agitations and temptations of the enemy; since he can with the Divine help, which always remains to him, though he does not clearly perceive it: because the Lord has taken from him his great fervor, great love and intense grace, leaving him, however, grace enough for eternal salvation.

Eighth Rule. The eighth: Let him who is in desolation labor to be in patience, which is contrary to the vexations which come to him: and let him think that he will soon be consoled, employing against the desolation the devices, as is said in the sixth Rule.[38]

Ninth Rule. The ninth: There are three principal reasons why we find ourselves desolate.

The first is, because of our being tepid, lazy or negligent in our spiritual exercises; and so through our faults, spiritual consolation withdraws from us.

The second, to try us and see how much we are and how much we let ourselves out in His service and praise without such great pay of consolation and great graces.

The third, to give us true acquaintance and knowledge, that we may interiorly feel that it is not ours to get or keep great devotion, intense love, tears, or any other spiritual consolation, but that all is the gift and grace of God our Lord, and that we may not build a nest in a thing not ours, raising our intellect into some pride or vainglory, attributing to us devotion or the other things of the spiritual consolation.

Tenth Rule. The tenth: Let him who is in consolation think how he will be in the desolation which will come after, taking new strength for then.

Eleventh Rule. The eleventh: Let him who is consoled see to humbling himself and lowering himself as much as he can, thinking how little he is able for in the time of desolation without such grace or consolation.

On the contrary, let him who is in desolation think that he can do much with the grace sufficient to resist all his enemies, taking strength in his Creator and Lord.



Twelfth Rule. The twelfth: The enemy acts like a woman, in being weak against vigor and strong of will. Because, as it is the way of the woman when she is quarrelling with some man to lose heart, taking flight when the man shows her much courage: and on the contrary, if the man, losing heart, begins to fly, the wrath, revenge, and ferocity of the woman is very great, and so without bounds; in the same manner, it is the way of the enemy to weaken and lose heart, his temptations taking flight, when the person who is exercising himself in spiritual things opposes a bold front against the temptations of the enemy, doing diametrically the opposite. And on the contrary, if the person who is exercising himself commences to have fear and lose heart in suffering the temptations, there is no beast so wild on the face of the earth as the enemy of human nature in following out his damnable intention with so great malice.



Thirteenth Rule. The thirteenth: Likewise, he acts as a licentious lover in wanting to be secret and not revealed. For, as the licentious man who, speaking for an evil purpose, solicits a daughter of a good father or a wife of a good husband, wants his words and persuasions to be secret, and the contrary displeases him much, when the daughter reveals to her father or the wife to her husband his licentious words and depraved intention, because he easily gathers that he will not be able to succeed with the undertaking begun: in the same way, when the enemy of human nature brings his wiles and persuasions to the just soul, he wants and desires that they be received and kept in secret; but when one reveals them to his good Confessor or to another spiritual person that knows his deceits and evil ends, it is very grievous to him, because he gathers, from his manifest deceits being discovered, that he will not be able to succeed with his wickedness begun.

Fourteenth Rule. The fourteenth: Likewise, he behaves as a chief bent on conquering and robbing what he desires: for, as a captain and chief of the army, pitching his camp, and looking at the forces or defences of a stronghold, attacks it on the weakest side, in like manner the enemy of human nature, roaming about, looks in turn at all our virtues, theological, cardinal and moral; and where he finds us weakest and most in need for our eternal salvation, there he attacks us and aims at taking us.

http://www.ccel.org/pager.cgi?file=i/ignatius/exercises/exercises1.0.html&up=i/ignatius/exercises/exercises.html&from=RTFToC153

St. John of the Cross..

http://www.ccel.org/j/john_of_the_cross/dark_night/dark_night_bod0.9.html

Hope this helps, Defens. :wave:
 
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Defens0rFidei said:
Is it just me or can grace be felt? Almost even a physical feeling. Like if I am wandering away or doing something I shouldn't, sometimes I will get a strong motivation to go to Mass or to pray or something.

The latest example is my faith getting re-energized out of the blue on the day of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Anyone else know what I am talking about? :scratch:
Yes I do, I think what you describe is being filled with the Holy Sprit (which we are at all times if in a state of grace) and having that manifest in a human emotion.

I feel the opposite, I can feel when I fall from grace and that is a grace because it is what calls me back to grace.

St. Therese believed everything is a grace.
 
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St. Therese believed everything is a grace.
That's right. It's important to make the distinction between grace and consolation. To those who serve God, all things are ordered for good at all times, so all things are a grace. Yet we do not receive consolation at all times. So the absesne of consolations is also a grace. We can see this because when God removes His consolations, this serves the profound purpose to humble and strengthen us, and is thus rightly a grace just as much as when our hearts are overwhelmed with the burning love from God, because both are ordered towards God.
 
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Defens0rFidei said:
Is it just me or can grace be felt? Almost even a physical feeling. Like if I am wandering away or doing something I shouldn't, sometimes I will get a strong motivation to go to Mass or to pray or something.

The latest example is my faith getting re-energized out of the blue on the day of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Anyone else know what I am talking about? :scratch:
Yes . . . . and yet I have come to believe that the Divine Darkness is greater than all the consolations . . . Consolations are graces from God made manidest to us in a sensible manner . . . . but they can hold us back, and so God, after favoring the soul with such manifest delights of His grace and love, withdraws them . . . . to draw the soul closer to Him than would ever be possible if He permitted the sensible awareness of His grace to continue . . .


Have you had the opportunity to read St Theresa of Avilla's The Interior Castle? Or St John of the Cross' "Ascent of Mt Carmel" ???

They both describe the consolations given to the soul, the sensible manifestations of God's grace and love in our lives given by God in His wisdom as is beneficial for each of us, as would be of most benefit to each (some more, some less), and their place in the progress of the soul towards God. :)


Peace in Him!
 
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Defens0rFidei said:
Is it just me or can grace be felt? Almost even a physical feeling. Like if I am wandering away or doing something I shouldn't, sometimes I will get a strong motivation to go to Mass or to pray or something.

The latest example is my faith getting re-energized out of the blue on the day of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Anyone else know what I am talking about? :scratch:
Definitely.

It is funny you should mention the recent Feast of the Immaculate Conception. I went to a rather impoverished Latin Rite parish that evening. There were few people there. The Church was very unadorned and rather bare looking. Yet the Mass, although short, was full of power. It felt absolutely wonderful. It was all I could do to keep from bawling like a baby.

Every time I receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation I feel God's grace, as well, like a 200-ton weight has been lifted from my shoulders.

It seems to me that God's grace is always accompanied not only by a sense of peace but also of freedom.
 
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CCC-2005 Since it belongs to the supernatural order, grace escapes our experience and cannot be known except by faith. We cannot therefore rely on our feelings or our works to conclude that we are justified and saved. However, according to the Lord's words "Thus you will know them by their fruits"- reflection on God's blessings in our life and in the lives of the saints offers us a guarantee that grace is at work in us and spurs us on to an ever greater faith and an attitude of trustful poverty. A pleasing illustration of this attitude is found in the reply of St. Joan of Arc to a question posed as a trap by her ecclesiastical judges: "Asked if she knew that she was in God's grace, she replied: 'If I am not, may it please God to put me in it; if I am, may it please God to keep me there.'"
 
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PolskiKrol said:
Thats awsome you can feel grace.

As for me, I can only hold on with faith. Maybe thats why I'm such a miserable little hypocrite most of the time.
This is what I was afraid of with this thread.
Don't feel left out in regards to feeling grace. You are perfectly normal.
I knew a woman who left Christianity because she "didn't feel Christian". This is dangerous when we try to feel our faith, as the supernatural graces we receive from prayer, and or Sacraments, etc.. does not always spill over into our feelings - remember we pray, and believe as acts of our will not our feelings.
Do not be discouraged, again, you are perfectly normal.
 
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I have such a difficult time with "everything is grace". I had a whole class on grace this semester, and I still don't know what it is (outside of the CCC definition).

On another random note (I'm tired, so the train of thought is not on the tracks any more tonight), for the same class I read St. Julian of Norwich's book ... I can't even think of the title right now. "All will be well, and all will be well, and all manner of things will be well." Julian was somewhat of a mystic, and while that's not usually my kind of reading at all, the book really touched me.
 
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clskinner said:
I have such a difficult time with "everything is grace". I had a whole class on grace this semester, and I still don't know what it is (outside of the CCC definition).
Grace is the empowerment of God, whether it is perceptible to us or not . .

May I suggest a book . . . The Glories of Divine Grace by Fr. Scheeben

http://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/571/



Peace in Him!
 
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PolskiKrol said:
Thats awsome you can feel grace.

As for me, I can only hold on with faith. Maybe thats why I'm such a miserable little hypocrite most of the time.
And those of us who have been so favored with experiences of God's Grace should, in profound humility, honor the faith of those who perservere without such sensible consolations, for such a faith is very dear and close to God's heart . . and a wonder. :)

And you are in good company . .. . Mother Theresa had no sensible consolations for 50 years. . . . :)


Peace in Him!
 
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