Can a woman be?

[Love365]

Can a woman be a police officer?

Can a woman be a judge?

 

[Michie]

 

[fide]

Can a woman be a police officer?

Can a woman be a judge?

I don't know how serious you are about this post, but it did provoke a serious question for me, to me if I had been born a woman and knowing all I know now as a quite old man, and with the faith I have received in my life. So given all that, if I were a young woman with an old heart and mind and soul and faith, I would seek above all to know God's will for me.

My search would begin with, "Who is an example of the most faithful of women?" I would say, "Mary, the virgin mother of the Lord. She must be the highest and most pure example of a woman in true obedience to His will." She did not seek any work in law enforcement, or as a judge of law. But as Queen of Apostles, and Mother of the Lord, she must have shared much wisdom and counsel (Gifts of the Spirit, with which she was filled) with the Apostles and other disciples, sharing in love with them as a Mother would share, not as one in authority over them.

Mary went with haste to be a helper to Elizabeth, pregnant with John. Indeed "helper" is part of God's intention in His creation of Eve; helper and companion.

There are many passages in Scripture that describe God's will for women, and His cautions they must guard against - all these would guide my thoughts. And most of these would collide with modern Western material culture, that seeks more and more to erase any distinction at all between men and women! Now "of course" women "can" become police officers not "merely as helpers" but as co-equals on the front lines of the war against crime. And they can rise through the ranks to become Captains and Commissioners, having much authority over others as "any man" could.

But is that God's will for women? The Blessed Mother was not chosen as an Apostle, nor sent to preach, nor given the Keys of binding or loosing. She did, I suspect, share her insights into God's heart and mind with the followers of Jesus, but as a mother and not a dogmatic teacher as a man might. I suspect that Deborah, a "Judge" of Israel (Judges 4:4 ff), was similar as she was a prophetess, possessing as a charism what Mary had more fully as a habitual Gift. But this of course is not part of a "job description" for what is called a "judge" in secular law today.

The roles of men and women today are more confused than they ever have been in human history, I suspect. I find this passage helpful, to your question:

The Woman Who Fears the Lord

Pro 31:10 A good wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain.
Pro 31:12 She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the ships of the merchant, she brings her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She rises while it is yet night and provides food for her household and tasks for her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girds her loins with strength and makes her arms strong.
Pro 31:18 She perceives that her merchandise is profitable. Her lamp does not go out at night.
Pro 31:19 She puts her hands to the distaff, and her hands hold the spindle.
Pro 31:20 She opens her hand to the poor, and reaches out her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of snow for her household, for all her household are clothed in scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She makes herself coverings; her clothing is fine linen and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sits among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers girdles to the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and dignity are her clothing, and she laughs at the time to come.
Pro 31:26 She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.
Pro 31:27 She looks well to the ways of her household, and does not eat the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her:
Pro 31:29 "Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all."
Pro 31:30 Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Can a woman be a police officer?

Can a woman be a judge?

Was Jesus a cop? Did he preside over criminal court?

 

[fide]

staff edit

Our problems all started with sin, in the Garden. Since then, God's ideal for the man and the woman has not been lived as it should have. Paul's simple truth in Ephesians 5 points out the way it should have been, and should be today:

Eph 5:21 Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Eph 5:22 Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
Eph 5:24 As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Eph 5:26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
Eph 5:27 that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 Even so husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church,
Eph 5:30 because we are members of his body.
Eph 5:31 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Eph 5:32 This mystery is a profound one, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church;
Eph 5:33 however, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Historically, with getting the vote politically, "women's rights" seemed like a good and human thing - simple justice. But looking at the simple Biblical intention for woman in the creation of her, reaffirmed in the NT, and then the state of the matter today, that original divine intention has become almost unbelievable in this "modern world" in the West, at least.
I have come to conclude that the trajectory of "women's rights" was planned to go through that very point of the priesthood, as well as the other more obvious demonic goals in the Church and in secular matters: the weakening and then destruction of the family; the gender insanity; the coarsening and debasing of sexuality in and outside of marriage, homosexual equivalence in all matters (marriage, adoption, surrogacy, ...), global emasculation and feminizing of all men - all come to mind.

But sin..... Man was supposed to be "head" - yet how "unintelligently" that headship has been lived! Many women understandably rebelled against the contradiction in the marriage; similarly some consecrated religious women have not been honored by priests and bishops, but were treated like housemaids or servants, and not in reverence and honor.

 

[concretecamper]

If someone tried to have one in a country where it’s illegal,
it could cause political unrest.

There has been political unrest since the dawn of time. Do you have anything meaningful say?

 

[Lady Bug]

Can a woman be a woman?

 

[Love365]

Can a woman be a woman?

When a woman is a wife and a mother
I support that.

But you can’t limit women to only that.

 

[fide]

When a woman is a wife and a mother
I support that.

But you can’t limit women to only that.

The Church is obligated to morally limiting men and women to God's will. The Church of the modern world - including at least the Church in America - seems reluctant to strongly emphasize much of even what is clear in Scripture. For example modesty in dress even for Holy Mass; even for Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion; even for Readers of the Word, ... And for example faithfulness to Catholic teaching in the voting booth, and in the Communion line in Church.

If we were more serious about forming the adult laity toward real holiness of life, and toward maturity in the life of prayer - toward a growing and maturing Interior Life in Christ - perhaps both men and women would more seriously consider their life journey, and "career" choices, and family responsibilities.

 

[Michie]

Vatican Draws Line on Women’s Ordination and Homosexuality in New Letter to German Bishops

Regarding the Church’s teaching on homosexual acts, Cardinal Parolin’s letter to the German bishops said this was ‘another issue on which a local Church has no possibility of taking a different view.’

www.ncregister.com

 

[Landon Caeli]

Staff edit of a quote

For years, interesting.

Meanwhile the Catechism has existed for centuries:
The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 1577

Catechism of the Catholic Church

www.usccb.org

 

[Landon Caeli]

From the Vatican Library:

APOSTOLIC LETTER
ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS
OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE BISHOPS
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ON RESERVING PRIESTLY ORDINATION
TO MEN ALONE

2. The Declaration recalls and explains the fundamental reasons for this teaching, reasons expounded by Paul VI, and concludes that the Church "does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination".

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (May 22, 1994) | John Paul II

www.vatican.va

 

[Landon Caeli]

Even asking questions around the edges
is forbidden?

Depends... Are they genuine questions, or are they questions meant to get around the rules in order to achieve an agenda.

...So far, all the questions you've asked are 'leading' everyone toward a certain thing. To me, that seems calculated.

 

[Landon Caeli]

@Love365 , you're trying to convince Catholics to go *against* the CCC.

 

[Love365]

What kinds of threads should I make in this forum?

 

[Landon Caeli]

What kinds of threads should I make in this forum?

Anything that does not go against the teachings of the Church.

 

[Michie]

Even asking questions around the edges
is forbidden?

I think that’s called brinking which as I understand it, is against the rules. People in this forum are aligned with the magisterium. How many times do you need to ask the same question in this forum for years when you should know what the Church says on the topic? Seems a bit trollish.

 

[prodromos]

Can a woman be a police officer?

Can a woman be a judge?

Should secular norms be used in determining practice in the Church?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Even asking questions around the edges
is forbidden?

Good faith questions are fine, but what you're doing is brinkmanship and you, me, God, and everyone knows it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Altar severs are a stepping stone to becoming a priest.

Why are there female altar servers?

It was a mistake in translation.