Can a person be unsaved/?

thesunisout said:

I'm sorry, but did you just attack me by saying that I took away from the book? I'm sorry that you feel threatened by scripture and need to lash out, but I would hope that we could have a civil discourse about this.

Verse 17 doesn't change the facts of verses 18 and 19. It directly says:

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Sorry, I didn't mean it as an attack... I added vs 17... if I were threatened by scripture... I would have taken away a verse, not add a verse. I do believe that verse 17 is just as relevant as verse 18 and 19 to the conversation... and relevant to the interpretation of verse's 18-19.

I wasn’t cherry picking, I intended to get to the others… I’m just busy and those two were easy… I don’t know how anyone can read condemnation…. lose salvation, which is condemnation, from Heb 10... Beats me… I don’t see it… I jump for joy when I read it… there is no possible way for me to understand how you come to that conclusion from those verse’s. I would have to lose my confidence in Christ to even begin to see it as condemning believers…. God will judge His people… His people.

thesunisout said:

That's an interesting interpretation Linda, but it doesn't hold water. First of all, because you have just contradicted yourself. Paul is speaking to Christians here, which means they are saved. If a Christian will be judged for making animal sacrifices, then you have just proven that the once saved always saved doctrine is false.

Second, you have no case for your interpretation, even if it didn't contridict itself. Up to verse 17, Paul is contrasting the differences between the old and new covenants, and how Christ is the all-sufficient sacrifice. Verse 18 is the summation of this thrust:

18 And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.

Meaning, where your sins have been forgiven, there is no longer any requirement to make a sacrifice for sin. Then it continues on:

19 Therefore, brothers,

Therefore, as in, "since all of those things we just covered are true"

Brothers, as in, Christians

since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

He then starts to affirm the greater truth of our salvation. Verse 19-22 is admonishing the brethern, on the basis of Christs sacrifice, to approach God with full confidence

23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

23-25 Is reiterating the necessarity of faith and of mutual encouragement.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Now he is showing the consequences of unrepentant, habitual sin under the new covenant. When you receive knowledge of the truth, IE, salvation, and you keep on sinning, "no sacrifice for sin is left". Meaning, there is no sacrifice for sins at all, whether by an animal or by the blood of Christ. No sacrifice what so ever. Meaning, once you get saved, if you keep living like a demon you're all out of options.

28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace

Verse 28-29 makes this clear. Anyone who rejects the law of moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. And that was just for rejecting the law of Moses. It is clearly saying that a person who rejects the blood of Christ that sanctifies him, meaning that he is saved, is deserving of a far worse punishment than that. So, the verse clearly states you can lose your salvation for "treating as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that santifies you".

I would also like you to address my other examples and not just cherry pick out of my post what you think you can justify.

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thesunisout said:

Matthew 24:48-51

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time, and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.

The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:26-30

His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed?

Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

“‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Those two alone show that those who don't abide in Christ are in danger. Another one that proves it is:

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Matthew 24:48-51... what would this wicked man have to do to be ready to meet the Master?
Romans 4:5
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Matthew 25:26-30
24 “Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’
He accused the master of being a hard man and was afraid he would lose what the hard man had given him. I do not accuse God of being hard, I know He is merciful and I don’t fear losing what God has entrusted to me, I know He is faithful… but I’m sure some still think like this wicked man today.
As with Matthew 24... What can a wicked man do to be saved?
Romans 4:5
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Lindas Place said:

Matthew 24:48-51... what would this wicked man have to do to be ready to meet the Master?
Romans 4:5
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Matthew 25:26-30
24 “Then the man who had received the one talent came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’
He accused the master of being a hard man and was afraid he would lose what the hard man had given him. I do not accuse God of being hard, I know He is merciful and I don’t fear losing what God has entrusted to me, I know He is faithful… but I’m sure some still think like this wicked man today.
As with Matthew 24... What can a wicked man do to be saved?
Romans 4:5
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

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Yes, God indeed saves the wicked, the repentant wicked. However, for those who have gone through some religious motions, this would include saying the "sinners prayer," and lives a life of unrepentant sin, they are in danger. I (personally,) would not say of losing their salvation, but losing what they perceive they have. Again, the simplicity, yet profundity of Jesus' words:

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

Since we can build sound doctrine from the words of our Saviour, one of the obvious qualifications of one of his sheep is that they follow him. Be an Arminian and call it "good works," or a calvinist, and call it "perserverence of the saints," either way, when the game is over and the ransomed go home, it will be the possessors, not (just) the professors, those that followed.

True saving faith changes the life of the receiptient forever. They are made a new creature. Yes, they can fall, trip, stumble, and sometimes outright walk right into stupid sin, BUT they will not stay there if they belong to the Good Shepherd. He'll come looking for his sheep, you know, they know his voice. If one can live a life of unrepentant sin, call themselves saved, NEVER hear the Master calling those on the dark mountains of sin, they are in danger of hell.

a pilgrim said:

Yes, God indeed saves the wicked, the repentant wicked. However, for those who have gone through some religious motions, this would include saying the "sinners prayer," and lives a life of unrepentant sin, they are in danger. I (personally,) would not say of losing their salvation, but losing what they perceive they have. Again, the simplicity, yet profundity of Jesus' words:

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

Since we can build sound doctrine from the words of our Saviour, one of the obvious qualifications of one of his sheep is that they follow him. Be an Arminian and call it "good works," or a calvinist, and call it "perserverence of the saints," either way, when the game is over and the ransomed go home, it will be the possessors, not (just) the professors, those that followed.

True saving faith changes the life of the receiptient forever. They are made a new creature. Yes, they can fall, trip, stumble, and sometimes outright walk right into stupid sin, BUT they will not stay there if they belong to the Good Shepherd. He'll come looking for his sheep, you know, they know his voice. If one can live a life of unrepentant sin, call themselves saved, NEVER hear the Master calling those on the dark mountains of sin, they are in danger of hell.

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no one who trust Jesus to save them is in danger of hell.... Jesus died for our sins... that's past, present and future sins of the whole world... we cannot get anymore forgiven than we are right now. The only sin that separates a person from God is the sin of unbelief in Jesus... that is the sin God convicts the world of....

John 16
7 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:
9 in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me;
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

hi nitrox,

No, a person cannot be 'unsaved'. Of course, that has to come with some explanation as to how I understand 'saved'. We are none of us 'saved' yet. We are born again and our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life during this life time, if we have true faith in Jesus and believe God.

We will then be 'saved' on that day of God's judgment and once we are saved on that day, there will be no turning back. God will not make any mistakes as to who He saves.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

nitrox314 said:

Here is an interesting question that brings some animosity between my wife and I when studying.

Can a Christian who has accepted Jesus, been baptised and has walked the life for years then turns away from God and Jesus still be saved if they do not come back?

Some people seem to believe that once your saved your saved for good no matter what you do. That is not my opinion however.

So what is your opinion on the matter? If someone who has accepted Jesus previously and turns from Him and dies, does that person still get entrance to Heaven? Please explain reasoning with scripture to back up please

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Hopfully your wife will submit to the true teaching of the bible and let go of false and unbiblical doctrine.......you see the answer you will get is that person was never really saved to begin with.......which negates the fact that if someone confesses Jesus is Lord and God and is baptised they might not be saved also, and the bible says if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord you will be saved........The two conflicting doctrines in this whole debate are actually both right, but to hold to only one or the other is where the error begins. You can always abide in Christ and nothing can separate you from the love of God except your own willful rejection of God and the sins that lead to death

how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. Hebrews 2:3

THE NEW COVENANT (GOOD NEWS)

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Hebrews 9:15 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Hebrews 10:10 &12

YOU CAN BE SURE

Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Hebrews 11;1

YOU CAN BE SAVED

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

YOU CAN OVERCOME

Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. 1 John 5:5

NOT BY KEEPING THE LAW

know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:16

NOT BY WORKS

And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. Romans 11:6

SALVATION IS A GIFT

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

YOU CAN RECEIVE

"Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." John 1:12

AND DO THE WORKS OF GOD

Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." John 6:28-29



Shipwrecked ***(Christians can be sure)***



NO HUMAN EFFORT - STILL SAVED

Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Galatians 3:3

SINNER - STILL SAVED

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1John 2:1

NO WORKS - STILL SAVED

his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, but only as one escaping through the flames. 1 Corinthians 3 13-15

LOST FAITH - STILL SAVED

if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself. 2 Tim 2:13

BROKE THE LAW - STILL SAVED

You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:4 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 3:24

NO CHARGES AGAINTS YOU

What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Romans 8:31-33

YOU ARE NOT CONDEMNED

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2

JESUS DOES NOT CONDEMN YOU

Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? Romans 8:34-35

YOU CANNOT BE SEPARATED

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39"

YOU ARE SEALED UNTIL REDEMPTION

And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory Ephesians 1:13-14

YOU ARE PERFECT FOREVER

because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. Hebrews 10:14

YOU WILL NEVER PERISH

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." John 10:28-30

nitrox314 said:

Here is an interesting question that brings some animosity between my wife and I when studying.

Can a Christian who has accepted Jesus, been baptised and has walked the life for years then turns away from God and Jesus still be saved if they do not come back?

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One of the simplest ways to approach this is to recall that God has made our free-will sovereign (recall that Eve exercised her free will in eating of the forbidden fruit). That means that God will not interfere with any action we initiate. God will let someone walk away from salvation if that person chooses. The person can repent anytime while he is alive. Whatever his state at death is his state for eternity. This is a message of hope.

nitrox314 said:

Here is an interesting question that brings some animosity between my wife and I when studying.

Can a Christian who has accepted Jesus, been baptised and has walked the life for years then turns away from God and Jesus still be saved if they do not come back?

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One of the simplest ways to approach this is to recall that God has made our free-will sovereign (recall that Eve exercised her free will in eating of the forbidden fruit). That means that God will not interfere with any action we initiate. God will let someone walk away from salvation if that person chooses. The person can repent anytime while he is alive. Whatever his state at death is his state for eternity. This is a message of hope.

CGL1023 said:

One of the simplest ways to approach this is to recall that God has made our free-will sovereign (recall that Eve exercised her free will in eating of the forbidden fruit). That means that God will not interfere with any action we initiate. God will let someone walk away from salvation if that person chooses. The person can repent anytime while he is alive. Whatever his state at death is his state for eternity. This is a message of hope.

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Can you post scriptures to show how we walk in and out of salvation? and scriptures to show how we get saved?

CGL1023 said:

One of the simplest ways to approach this is to recall that God has made our free-will sovereign (recall that Eve exercised her free will in eating of the forbidden fruit). That means that God will not interfere with any action we initiate. God will let someone walk away from salvation if that person chooses. The person can repent anytime while he is alive. Whatever his state at death is his state for eternity. This is a message of hope.

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How do we get saved and how do we stay saved?

Lindas Place said:

Can you post scriptures to show how we walk in and out of salvation? and scriptures to show how we get saved?

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Sorry Linda, I should have done that initially.

Scriptures on being saved are Rom 10:9,10 and Acts 16:30,31.

Scripture dealing with being unsaved Rev 3:5 and Heb 6:6.

Scriptures on sovereignty of free-will: I used the example of Eve's temptation in Gen 3. If there was ever an individual God would have been protective of, it would have been innocent, newly-created Eve. If God had a policy against interfering with our free-will he would surely have protected Eve from being tempted.

The verses below show God telling people to take independent action. There are also thousands of others such examples in the
Word.
De 30
9 Then the Lord your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The Lord will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your fathers, 10 if you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

19 This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Josh n1

You also asked: "How do we get saved and how do we stay saved?" This is covered in Rom 10:9,10 and Acts 16:30,31. To stay saved has to do with getting into the Word. You immerse yourself in the Word, love the Word, meditate on the Word and make the Word a part of you until it transforms you (Josh 1:1-9).

Ok, I read Rev. 3:3 and it said nothing about losing salvation… then verse’s 4-6 we are told that God will NOT blot our names from the book of life…. This is reassuring us that we are eternally secure… good news.

The author of Hebrews is writing to “Hebrews,” Jews, ethnically real Jews… They believe in OT God and the promise to save them.... Now the Savior has come and they must believe in Jesus or be cut off… They are no longer saved just because they are Jews…

Hebrews 5
12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

(Elementary teachings are OT teachings about Christ, not Jesus crucified.)

13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.

(They must go all the way to maturity and have faith in Christ to receive the righteousness of Christ)

Hebrews 6
1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

(In Hebrews 6: 1-2 it’s speaking about the OT, all of these teachings are elementary, OT teachings about Christ.)


3 And God permitting, we will do so.

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,

(Jews were Gods chosen people. The Jews had been enlightened, God had revealed himself through the OT. The Holy Spirit was with them, King David had the Holy Spirit, this is speaking to the Jews that continued to live like Jews instead of Christians.)

5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,

(The Jews had tasted the goodness of the word of God, but they are acting like they are waiting for Christ to come. They are acting like Jesus never died, they are still waiting for it to happen.)

6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

(If the Jews still reject the Son of God who fulfilled the promise, if they say “we don’t accept Jesus as our Savior” then they are crucifying the Son of God all over again. These Jews have faith in God, now they must have faith Jesus.)

7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.
8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

(Comparing Israel to land that produces a crop (Christians) then God blesses them. If they refuse to accept Jesus…..the unbelieving Jews are cut off, though they can be grafted in if they do not persist in unbelief)

Romans 10: 9-10 has nothing to do with losing salvation…

I agree... Act 16 is indeed how we get saved, but what does it mean to believe in Jesus? It means to believe the Good News… that Jesus died for our sin, He was buried, He was resurrected.

Acts 16:30-31
30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

in hebrews
two cases where in one a person cannot repent and be saved

first where they cannot repent
Hebrews 6:4-6
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
but i think this is a case where the greek might mean something that most don't see
namely 'fall away' means to die while in an unrepentant wicked state..
note that fall away is in the aorist tense
"Aorist is a point in time - divorced from time , except where it can be seen from the context to be further defined.
"
the second case
heb 10:26
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.
a case tho where from a translation and error
some fail to see that in this case where one is yet alive
and does not continue to sin
then they can be restored....
note the verb sin in the hebrew is in the present active indicative

nitrox314 said:

Here is an interesting question that brings some animosity between my wife and I when studying.

Can a Christian who has accepted Jesus, been baptised and has walked the life for years then turns away from God and Jesus still be saved if they do not come back?

Some people seem to believe that once your saved your saved for good no matter what you do. That is not my opinion however.

So what is your opinion on the matter? If someone who has accepted Jesus previously and turns from Him and dies, does that person still get entrance to Heaven? Please explain reasoning with scripture to back up please

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There is strong biblical evidence that, once you are saved, you are saved for ever. Those who abandon Christianity were never saved in the first place; they were never truly Christian. This is the view of many (perhaps most) Protestant denominations, including the Baptists (my own, as you can see).

For Bible passages which demonstrate this, please read the following articles:

• http://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html (a quicker one);
  
• http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html (a more detailed one).

nitrox314 said:

Here is an interesting question that brings some animosity between my wife and I when studying.

Can a Christian who has accepted Jesus, been baptised and has walked the life for years then turns away from God and Jesus still be saved if they do not come back?

Some people seem to believe that once your saved your saved for good no matter what you do. That is not my opinion however.

So what is your opinion on the matter? If someone who has accepted Jesus previously and turns from Him and dies, does that person still get entrance to Heaven? Please explain reasoning with scripture to back up please

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Once they have turned away from Jesus after being baptized, are they still saved?

The answer is yes. If you have accepted Christ as your Savior at one time, then yes you are saved because Jesus died for you. " forgive them Father, they know not what they do." The only examples we have are the Jews, and Judas who turned on Christ, and Peter denying him 3 times...do you think Peter was not forgiven? The rest of the Bible deals with turning from God, but Jesus changes the arrangement. Jesus has the Rank of God, but He is not God the Almighty Creator...He wasnt praying to Himself, or calling Himself Father...

and Jesus died for our sins to be forgiven. This doesnt mean you might not get probation in heaven, because you might, or detention or something, but you are still saved. Your name is either in the book of Iife, or it isnt!

nitrox314 said:

Here is an interesting question that brings some animosity between my wife and I when studying.

Can a Christian who has accepted Jesus, been baptised and has walked the life for years then turns away from God and Jesus still be saved if they do not come back?

Some people seem to believe that once your saved your saved for good no matter what you do. That is not my opinion however.

So what is your opinion on the matter? If someone who has accepted Jesus previously and turns from Him and dies, does that person still get entrance to Heaven? Please explain reasoning with scripture to back up please

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Baptism cannot save you and "accepting Jesus" isn't Biblical. To the contrary, the Bible says it's Christ's prerogative to accept or reject us.

Rather than ask if man can lose his salvation, the question you should be asking is whether or not Christ is competent and trustworthy to keep our salvation.