Can A Christian Be Possessed

[LLC3GUYS]

To clarify, can a Christian be possessed by any spirit other than the Holy Spirit? I see no way for Him to share with another. Do you? (It is implied that we are speaking of a true Christian)

 

[visionary]

If the person is just claiming to be a christian but it is not the truth, then the void where Christ should be can be filled up with demons.

If the person claiming to be christ has his heart given over to the Lord, then the house should be kept clean and there would be not room for the devil to dwell.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings,

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Paul's "thorn" was a form of spiritual "oppression" and not "possession".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[hugnluvable]

I really agree with Dad Ernie's line about oppression rather that possesion. Someone who follows Christ will always and forever be God's. However, evil may try to dwell in their temple and cause all kinds of problems, struggles and pains... and demons do indeed do this to people - spiritual means that alot of people really tend to either avoid talking about or do not know about.

Christianity is so much more than ordinary... its supernatural and there are so many things that we will never know or dream of delving into that happen in this world today. The important fact to grasp though is that God has overcome the world and HE HAS THE VICTORY!

Erica
xxx

 

[LLC3GUYS]

Greetings,

2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Paul's "thorn" was a form of spiritual "oppression" and not "possession".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Funny, I thought Paul's "thorn" was a physical ailment, though I'm sure it is easier for the health and prosperity by faith alone side to see it as otherwise.

 

[LLC3GUYS]

If the person is just claiming to be a christian but it is not the truth, then the void where Christ should be can be filled up with demons.

If the person claiming to be christ has his heart given over to the Lord, then the house should be kept clean and there would be not room for the devil to dwell.

I agree, and, as stated, it was refering to true Christians only.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Funny, I thought Paul's "thorn" was a physical ailment, though I'm sure it is easier for the health and prosperity by faith alone side to see it as otherwise.

Greetings LLC3GUYS,

Paul's thorn was of a "messenger of Satan". I have read where some thought it was his eyes, some his speech, some say he perhaps had arthritis and I have never heard anyone consider that the "thorn" could be spiritual or moral in nature. No one wants to touch that of course.

But 30 years ago, I had a problem and Satan used it to beat me over the head with very severely. I wept many days before the Lord because I just knew God had forsaken me, at least that was what Satan was saying. Finally one day as I was beseaching God, He said very plainly to me and very loudly in my Spirit: "My Grace is sufficient for thee." It was through that experience that I learned WHY it is not mentioned in the scriptures what that thorn was.

God's grace is all sufficient, and had it been made known what that "thorn" was, everyone would then say: "Well God's grace is ONLY sufficient for such and such." Well that is an outright lie from the pit, as I learned.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[LLC3GUYS]

Greetings LLC3GUYS,

Paul's thorn was of a "messenger of Satan". I have read where some thought it was his eyes, some his speech, some say he perhaps had arthritis and I have never heard anyone consider that the "thorn" could be spiritual or moral in nature. No one wants to touch that of course.

But 30 years ago, I had a problem and Satan used it to beat me over the head with very severely. I wept many days before the Lord because I just knew God had forsaken me, at least that was what Satan was saying. Finally one day as I was beseaching God, He said very plainly to me and very loudly in my Spirit: "My Grace is sufficient for thee." It was through that experience that I learned WHY it is not mentioned in the scriptures what that thorn was.

God's grace is all sufficient, and had it been made known what that "thorn" was, everyone would then say: "Well God's grace is ONLY sufficient for such and such." Well that is an outright lie from the pit, as I learned.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

While I am glad that He reaffirmed Himself to you, I am leary of anyone adding to where God has left off. I truly am glad that He brought you through a valley, as He does for all of us, but I simply do not agree with your theology. I, too, have heard the same words uttered by Him to the center of the heart of my spirit, and I do not share your personal revelation regarding Paul, which is not backed up by scripture or any valid scholar's interpretation. If you're right, we'll soon find out. GBY

 

[Nichole17]

No, Christians cannot be possesed, for it says in the Word: 1John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Dad Ernie]

While I am glad that He reaffirmed Himself to you, I am leary of anyone adding to where God has left off. I truly am glad that He brought you through a valley, as He does for all of us, but I simply do not agree with your theology. I, too, have heard the same words uttered by Him to the center of the heart of my spirit, and I do not share your personal revelation regarding Paul, which is not backed up by scripture or any valid scholar's interpretation. If you're right, we'll soon find out. GBY

Greetings LLC3GUYS,

One thing that really saddens me is when anyone adds to or takes away from the Word of God. There are numerous scriptures which conclude that is anathema. I too went immediately to the scriptures when God told me that and I just couldn't believe that God's grace was so all sufficient, so I went to the local Bible book store and read up on all that the commentators said about Paul's thorn. There is little or no agreement among them. If you want to believe THEM, that is up to you, it is just confusion to listen to man and not to God. The thorn was delivered by a "messenger of Satan", so if you are truly interested in what that means search the scriptures and see who else was given a "thorn" by the very same means. It may prove enlightening.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[Zaul]

Define Possesed?
I think anyone can be possesed if they let themselves, last year I got into a bit of a rough spot in my life where Im pretty sure I had some demons working with me, its the most sickening, evil power hungry feeling ever, im lucky Gods grace and love set me free, i'll be happy to tell you my full story if you, just pm me and ask

 

[Faith In God]

To clarify, can a Christian be possessed by any spirit other than the Holy Spirit? I see no way for Him to share with another. Do you? (It is implied that we are speaking of a true Christian)

Those with the Holy Spirit in them cannot be possessed. If they are, then they do not have the Spirit and something is more than extremely wrong.

 

[Faith In God]

Those with the Holy Spirit in them cannot be possessed. If they are, then they do not have the Spirit and something is more than extremely wrong.

And just to clarify, getting little 'thorns' in the side do not mean possession. There are an enormous abundance of materials on the subject of possession, and the descriptions are not even similar to a thorn in the side of a believer. The thorn was the curse of the flesh that every human has. Put that thorn to death and be baptized in God's Holy Spirit. You won't be perfect but you certainly will not be subject to possession.

 

[Nichole17]

No, Christians cannot be possesed, for it says in the Word: 1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world."

 

[Dmckay]

Consider this before you become too dogmatic, "Turn such a one over to Satan, for the destruction of his body, but the salvation of his soul." Paul to the church at Corinth regarding the unrepentant Christian man in an adulterous relationship with his father's wife.

Ask the same question of any missionary serving in a Mission field like Papua New Guinea or India where occult practices are an everyday occurance.

 

[LLC3GUYS]

Greetings LLC3GUYS,

One thing that really saddens me is when anyone adds to or takes away from the Word of God. There are numerous scriptures which conclude that is anathema. I too went immediately to the scriptures when God told me that and I just couldn't believe that God's grace was so all sufficient, so I went to the local Bible book store and read up on all that the commentators said about Paul's thorn. There is little or no agreement among them. If you want to believe THEM, that is up to you, it is just confusion to listen to man and not to God. The thorn was delivered by a "messenger of Satan", so if you are truly interested in what that means search the scriptures and see who else was given a "thorn" by the very same means. It may prove enlightening.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Of course, God's grace is sufficient (even before we acknowledge it), but you going to the Bible, is no different than "them" having done so. So, we shouldn't listen to "them" , but to you. Who, exactly, is "them" but you and I? And, in truth, anyone who searches the depths of God? No one holds the Truth in addition to Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. If your "revelation" is true, He will corroborate it - with His Word. One last point. The thorn was "delivered by a messenger of Satan". The "messenger of Satan" was only the deliverer, as stated, - not the "thorn". By your rational, the "creation" is the Creator, which, I'm sure, we agree is not true. The "thorn" is not the "messenger", just as the "creation" is not the "Creator". Hopefully, this is resolved as there is no rational reply to a doctrine of "feelings". I truly love you, but I cannot side with your statements, interpretations, or rationale on this issue. GBY

 

[LLC3GUYS]

Define Possesed?
I think anyone can be possesed if they let themselves, last year I got into a bit of a rough spot in my life where Im pretty sure I had some demons working with me, its the most sickening, evil power hungry feeling ever, im lucky Gods grace and love set me free, i'll be happy to tell you my full story if you, just pm me and ask

We all know what possession is, it's defined and portrayed in the Bible for all to read. It's an indwelling, and control (of various degrees), by another spirit, or spirits, than your own.

 

[LLC3GUYS]

And just to clarify, getting little 'thorns' in the side do not mean possession. There are an enormous abundance of materials on the subject of possession, and the descriptions are not even similar to a thorn in the side of a believer. The thorn was the curse of the flesh that every human has. Put that thorn to death and be baptized in God's Holy Spirit. You won't be perfect but you certainly will not be subject to possession.

I completely agree with everything except the "thorn" stuff. While your, and others, opinion, that's just what it is. Not fact, as the Bible defines it. The really important stuff was a direct hit, though.

 

[Faith In God]

I completely agree with everything except the "thorn" stuff. While your, and others, opinion, that's just what it is. Not fact, as the Bible defines it. The really important stuff was a direct hit, though.

Yup. Good call in not starting up on a tangent argument. I think you were closer regarding the thorn. Just take out thorn in my post, replace with flesh, and stick in LLC's comments about the thorn and you've got a fine post.

 

[LLC3GUYS]

Yup. Good call in not starting up on a tangent argument. I think you were closer regarding the thorn. Just take out thorn in my post, replace with flesh, and stick in LLC's comments about the thorn and you've got a fine post.

Point well taken. I would like to bring notice that, at this time, a little over 20% think a Christian can be possessed. The mere fact that we are talking about Christians, infers the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And, 1 out of 5 say, yes. What do you think this says for the state of spiritual health within the Church, and the lack of sound biblical teaching? Kind of alarming, isn't it.