You're comin' around, but I wish you would not use any man for a reference.
Instead, please think about using Scripture and the Holy Spirit.
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You're comin' around, but I wish you would not use any man for a reference.Sanctification is life-long process. (Cf. B.B. Warfield)
You're comin' around, but I wish you would not use any man for a reference.
Instead, please think about using Scripture and the Holy Spirit.
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1 Thes. 5:23-24
Think, Moses when He disobeyed God and struck the rock, scriptures show no offering made to atone for that sin.
By the time Jesus died on the cross, how was Moses sins paid for when he was long since dead?
I was born with a sin nature, thanks to Adam. Even though I had not committed any sins at minute one of my birth, I was still guilty.
Lets use your logic.
Galatians 2 describes Peter as being guilty of being a "hypocrite". Paul writes so.
Acts 10 shows Peter long before the Galatian incident of being guilty of disobeying God three times. Where is the repentance?
Paul was guilty of disobeying the Holy Spirit, where was his repentance?
So where did Jesus bear their sins?
So then you disagree with the scriptures when they use the accounting term "reckoned"?
Did I say that?
Paul also says how can they believe in one whom they have heard of.
Regeneration that saves, is a one time event. Sanctification, of trying each and every day of trying to put off the old and walk in the new, is a daily, even minute-by-minute thing.
I love you guys who throw this out.
Arthur W. Pink in his work "Exposition of Hebrews" adresses this well.
Read the "Introduction".
And to jump to the heart of the matter.
If you take 10:26, just as written, then you have no recourse than to admit that if you have sinned just once since the Christ event in your life, your condemned.
Hebrews 10:26 allows no slip ups, no backslidding, no chances at all. Sin once and "the remaineth no sacrifce for sin" and it also makes a mockery of what Joh wrote in 1 Jn. 1:8-10.
Now your confusing regeneration with sanctification.
Regeneration is once, and is a work wrought in us, by the work of the Holy Spirit. (cf Titus 3:5 in the Greek) Sanctification is life-long process. (Cf. B.B. Warfield):
God Bless
Till all are one.
By repentance and obedience. Remember, Moses was given the law by God Himself; do you not think Moses read any of it? Do you also not think Moses knew how sins were atoned from the law? Since Moses appeared with Elijah before the cross, how were his sins atoned? Or do you think he was pulled up from hell to appear before Jesus?
Be specific; of which sins were you guilty? Did you murder someone from your mother's womb? Did you blaspheme God in the womb? Did you speak lies in the womb? I would sure like to know your guilt in the womb.
Besides, Jesus died on the cross long before you had a sin nature. You also said Jesus took ALL your sins on the cross. Why do you have sin in your life now if Jesus took them ALL? Did He leave you some to make you guilty?
A sin nature never condemned anyone!
Condemnation comes when man actually commits sin and lives from an evil heart. Since we both have a sin nature, we will never enter the kingdom by your logic.
Jesus didn't die for sin natures,
so you will be guilty of your sin nature with no recourse.
Why do you say Peter had sin in his life? You told me ALL sins were taken by Jesus on the cross. Did you not really mean ALL sins were taken? Did Jesus take all our sins and then turn around and give them back to us? You aren't making any sense. Either He took them ALL or He didn't.
What sins were 'reckoned' for? You said they ALL were taken by Jesus on the cross. You are only using a bigger shovel to dig a bigger hole.
You did say man has to confess; is this not man's part?
If you say so, but I think he said 'whom they have NOT heard'.
Regeneration is a new heart. This only comes by casting away all our transgressions. Casting away ALL our transgressions takes time, is a lifelong endeavor. According to God's truth, we are given a new heart after casting away ALL our transgressions.
Regeneration
I. It is best first to collect together the various terms and expressions in which this whole matter is taught.
1. Forms of the verb gennao, which means "to beget."
John 1:13; 3:3, 4 (two places), 5, 6, 7, 8; 1 Cor. 4:15; Philemon 10; 1 John 2:29; 3:9 (two places); 4:7; 5:1 (three places); 5:4, 18 (two places).
2. Compound forms of gennao.
1 Pet. 1:23. "Having been begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which liveth and abideth."
Titus 3:5. "He saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost."
3. The word apekuesen is used in James 1:18, and means to bring forth or bear young, and there evidently means to bring to the condition of sonship.
4. Ktisis and ktizo, which mean creation and create, are found in 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15; Eph. 2:10, 15; 4:24.
5. Sunezoopoiesen, he quickened together with (Christ). Eph. 2:5; Col. 2:13.
In addition to the above uses of single words are the following passages which speak of the word of God as an effective instrument, but not as a creative power. These, however, do not connect this instrument with either regeneration or conversion necessarily; but speaks of it (a) as a means of partaking of the divine nature, 2 Pet. 1:4; (b) as a means of purifying, John 15:3; (c) as a means of Christian defense, Eph. 6:17; and (d) as an instrument of powerful conviction and destruction of the wicked, Heb. 4:12.
If this doesn't fit your theology, please take it up with God. I am only a messenger proclaiming the truth God has given us in His word. If you do not want to believe this, then you have the freedom to choose you own way of regeneration.
So I take you don't believe this is written for Christians, which contradicts your earlier assumption that Acts through Revelation was written for Christians.
its first sentence enables us to identify at once those to whom the Epistle was originally sent: see Hebrews 1:1, 2. They to whom God spake through the prophets were the children of Israel, and it was also unto them He had spoken through His Son. In Hebrews 3:1, we find a word which, however, narrows the circle to which this Epistle was first sent. It was not the Jewish nation at large which was addressed, but the "holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling" among them.
And what part of sanctification isn't regeneration? Regeneration is washing by the word, which comes after man hears, understands, obeys, and cleanses himself of his sin.
Maybe one day Ezekiel 18:31 mean something to those who desire to know the truth God has given us in His word, but until then, man will follow his evil heart and desire to be saved the way he wishes.
Listen to God's words to Israel in Ezekiel 18:
30 “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord God. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live.”
Man will be judged according to his conduct, deeds, and works. No man escapes this judgement. God has no pleasure in the death of anyone, therefore, He tells us to REPENT AND TURN AWAY FROM ALL OUR TRANSGRESSIONS.
Why are we to repent and turn away from them? Read carefully - TO MAKE OURSELVES A NEW HEART AND NEW SPIRIT!
It is only by repenting and turning away from ALL our transgression will we live, therefore God says REPENT AND LIVE!!!
To receive a new heart and new spirit, man MUST repent and turn away from ALL his transgressions. This does not happen in an instant; this is a lifelong endeavor on man's part.
This isn't hard to understand, in fact, it's black and white. Man will not listen to God because his heart takes delight in his evil. He has no desire to rid himself of wickedness. If man is to rid himself of his transgressions, he sees himself giving up control of his life, and he detests this vehemently.
Therefore, he will either ignore or deny the very words God has given us in Ezekiel. He will change God's truth into his truth which pleases his evil heart. As long as man doesn't remove the evil from his heart, his heart will console and comfort him in believing whatever he pleases. To deny God's truth is to deny the Savior Himself.
As long as man delights in his evil, he will not humble himself under the hand of God. It's not until man humbles himself is he given grace to rid himself of an evil heart. Then and only then is he able to receive a new heart and new spirit. This is the grace of God that bringeth salvation which hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;(Titus 2:1, 2).
III. THE NATURE OF SANCTIFICATION.
What now, we may inquire, is the nature of the sanctification which is wrought out in the believer?
1. It is a personal sanctification. It is accomplished in each individual personally, and not in that of a common representative as is the righteousness which justifies.
2. It is a real sanctification, not merely one that is imputed, as is righteousness. Holiness is not merely "accounted to men," so that they are treated as though holy, but they are made holy. Holiness becomes the characteristic of their natures. It is habitually exercised in their lives. It will eventually be possessed in perfection. It is real and in no sense only virtual.
3. It is of the whole nature. The renewed nature, given in regeneration, shows that sanctification includes the whole spiritual part of man. It is not to be confined to mere outward actions. God's spiritual nature demands not only spiritual worship, but holy spiritual emotions and affections; and these belong to the heart. Hence the need of inward conformity to his will and commands is so especially set forth in the New Testament, as to mark its teachings as essentially spiritual. We are also plainly taught that between the outward fruit, and the inward condition, is such a connection that the latter is the actual producing power of the former, and is manifested by it. Matt. 12:33-35; Luke 6:43-45.
But sanctification is to be extended to the body likewise. Its appetites and passions are to be controlled, wicked actions are to cease, and unholy habits to be put away, the members of the body are to be mortified, all filthiness of the flesh to be cleansed, good works are to be exhibited to mankind, and such high moral duties to be performed as are imposed upon Christians as obligatory towards each other and the world.
The Scriptures exhort to sanctification of the whole nature, both body and soul. See 2 Cor. 7:1; Eph. 4:17-24; Col. 3:5-10; 1 Thess. 5:23. That of the body alone is urged. The apostle tells the Ephesians about his prayers for their spiritual sanctification. Eph. 1:17-19.
4. It is not a sanctification to be completed in this life.
It is not, like justification, a single act, but is a continuous process. The work goes on throughout the lifetime of the believer, nor is it completed before death.
Regeneration is a new heart. This only comes by casting away all our transgressions. Casting away ALL our transgressions takes time, is a lifelong endeavor. According to God's truth, we are given a new heart after casting away ALL our transgressions.
Why are we to repent and turn away from them? Read carefully - TO MAKE OURSELVES A NEW HEART AND NEW SPIRIT!
It is only by repenting and turning away from ALL our transgression will we live, therefore God says REPENT AND LIVE!!!
To receive a new heart and new spirit, man MUST repent and turn away from ALL his transgressions. This does not happen in an instant; this is a lifelong endeavor on man's part.
To receive a new heart and new spirit, man MUST repent and turn away from ALL his transgressions. This does not happen in an instant; this is a lifelong endeavor on man's part.
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,
16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles,
I'm repeating myself ...I feel sorry for those who genuinely have regeneration and sanctification backwards.
Yet according to the above member, regeneration is something we do.
Fwiw, "born again", born of the spirit", "born of God" are written in Greek as accomplished fact, not as continuing actions. They're also passive as to the person born. if we work from the terms we have, inevitably the Apostles aren't talking about the Resurrection ... with oddly one exception. "The Regeneration" is a term used once in the NT, and it is for the Resurrection.I feel sorry for those who genuinely have regeneration and sanctification backwards.
I'm repeating myself ...
God bless you for your patience in tryin' to explain things to this member of the forum.
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Now you think. Just exactly where in the time-space continuum is Jesus right now? Where in time or space is God limited?EmSw said:So, the second Jesus was nailed to the cross in about 33 A.D., He took your sins. Let me ask, what sins had you committed when Jesus died? How could He take your sins when you hadn't committed any sins? Think.
So man removes his own sin and Jesus doesn't?EmSw said:... regeneration takes place over time, as each man removes sins from his heart.
Now you think. Just exactly where in the time-space continuum is Jesus right now? Where in time or space is God limited?
Think.
So man removes his own sin and Jesus doesn't?
Fwiw, "born again", born of the spirit", "born of God" are written in Greek as accomplished fact, not as continuing actions. They're also passive as to the person born. if we work from the terms we have, inevitably the Apostles aren't talking about the Resurrection ... with oddly one exception. "The Regeneration" is a term used once in the NT, and it is for the Resurrection.
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Just curious to know where that humility came from, if not from one's will.We aren't the same, because I attribute God's grace to the fact that I was humble, saw my sins for what they were, and turned to him in repentance.
You attribute your own willpower to that.
I can consistently say with the Apostle "By the grace of God I am what I am"
Yes, it is going to be confusing because of Scripture's infrequency associating "regeneration" with new birth. You've cited it. Titus 3:5.Regeneration, as it is in this verse showing our new birth.
Titus 3:5
'The regeneration' is a different thing.
Lets not make it too confusing. Regeneration is a legitimate concept for the new creation in Christ.
The regeneration is when the creation gets a new birth.
Matthew 19:28
I think the point is that God changes the will. Is the will something independent of the heart of a man, to where God cannot change it?Just curious to know where that humility came from, if not from one's will.
Seems the suggestion is that God elects the humble, or something like that.
Foist of oil, maybe we should consider the possibility ofJesus would not tell someone who was dead spiritually
to ask, seek, knock if he wasn't able to do so.
Foist of oil, maybe we should consider the possibility of
Jesus calling an unsaved person to ask-seek-knock.
God can speak spiritually to ANYONE @ any time!
Personally, I believe this mostly has to do with receiving the Spirit baptism.
Some BACs have tarried @ the altar for years until finally receiving.
In my case, I said to my wife, "I probably won't get it until I'm 93!"
You guessed it ... Jesus gave it to me a few years later ... in 1993.
Some of you think I'm joking, don't you! ... No, sireeeeeee!
On the other hand, my unsaved nephew told me that
he had REALLY tried hard to believe, butski could not.
Ditto for a waitress who served me (food) in London.
Years later now, my nephew believes.
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Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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