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This is what I posted:
And this is what griff concluded:
Your statement has no relevance to the verses nor explanation I gave. I proved that the chosen in Eph 1 were believers. To be chosen means to be a believer.
Sorry you weren't able to figure that out. But I tried. Maybe you should.
This word isn't the word translated "elect" or "election", it's different. However, that isn't really the issue. This verse tells us on what basis God chooses for salvation: "through belief in the truth".
Whatever you want to believe.That is conditional election.
I'm not wriggling, buddie.That is the doctrine of conditional election. There's no way you can wriggle out of this one buddy.
You haven't been paying attention, buddie. Election isn't about being chosen for salvation. It's about believers being chosen for special privilege and service.You believe people are elect *because* they believe. That is conditional election.
That's right. ALL who believe will be saved. Even the stinkers who believe.
You should try to make more sense when you post.Heh, so the word elect cannot mean elect. Interesting view of language.
I suppose, but who knows, that you are referring to 2 Thess 2:13.In greek, it is not the normal word for elect, but it is translated "elect."
I'm not wriggling, buddie.
You haven't been paying attention, buddie. Election isn't about being chosen for salvation. It's about believers being chosen for special privilege and service.
I don't care what you think elect means.[/QUIOTE]
Well, that is fine. That makes 2 of us. So I don't need to know yours, which is wrong anyway.
But since you have the wrong understanding of election, your opinion makes no difference.The point is, you believe one becomes elect by meeting a condition.
Yes, you are sorry, bro.Thus you believe in conditional election. Sorry bro.
Not trying. I'm defeating error amongst the Calvinists.You can't defeat logic.
Well, that was fun.
Pretty much proves I'm not one of them.FG2 claims not to be an Arminian, and he is so bad at Bible and Theology that even Arminians wish it were true that he is not an Arminian.
FG2 claims not to be an Arminian, and he is so bad at Bible and Theology that even Arminians wish it were true that he is not an Arminian.
Arminians hold to "election", but it is prescient election.
Something very different than Election as depicted in Scripture !
Why did God chose to save you ?
Geez! Asking for proof for any of their claims?? LOL??? Name one!
I have no idea what "prescient" election is. The word isn't found in Scripture. But another fact is that Calvinistic election isn't found there either.Arminians hold to "election", but it is prescient election.
Something very different than Election as depicted in Scripture !
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