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Calvinism provides an excuse for those in hell

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So not believing isn't the same as rejecting?
 
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Actually, it's real obvious that you are quite an insulting person. But that's what I've come to expect from those whose theology has been challenged and found wanting.

I bugs you guys so much that you just can't help yourself in attacking the messenger.
 
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If you are going to respond to questions, you should try answering them. I guess you are unable to back up your assertion. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over like it's an actual answer.
 
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Cool verses. Nothing about refusing the gift, though. Try again.
 
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I'm not sure why you are lying about what I actually said. I guess that's all you have left.
 
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I have already said that no one is in hell for sin, so what's your problem?

They are there for not having eternal life. They never received the gift.

You're dodging the rest of my post.

Why did they not receive eternal life? Because they did not believe, which means that they remained in unbelief. There is no middle ground. If they were in unbelief, then that was the reason they were sent to hell. Not receiving the gift is secondary.

The primary cause of their condemnation was their failure to believe. If they had believed, they would have automatically received the gift according to your doctrine.

So the real reason they go to hell is unbelief, which means that your doctrine is wrong. Both logically and Scripturally.

What you refuse to see and are trying to deflect from, is that your doctrine collapses when subjected to logical analysis.

I'm going to tell you what I just told griff. Can you refute the OP or not? All your posts and questions are nothing more than poor distractions and smokescreen.

But yours aren't? You're the master of it. You put out fog like a fog machine.

When people can't refute the OP, they have to resort to other tactics, to take the focus off their inability to refute the OP.

Your OP has been refuted. it is illogical, and your bleating about an "excuse" is ineffectual, because and excuse would not change the fate of those in hell. They can have all the excuses they want or can invent! It doesn't make any difference. It does not diminish God's character one iota.

Why you think that this is some big important, Calvinism-stopping "revelation" is beyond me, and the rest of us. Not because we can't understand it, but because we cannot understand why you think it's some big deal.

You haven't been able to give us even one convincing answer for why it makes any difference, or why it should matter.

If you want to believe it, fine, go ahead. But stop trying to pass it off as something that destroys Calvinism.

It doesn't.

At all.
 
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What's wrong with being indignate with people who aren't paying attention?

Ooh, bad form old chap! Blaming those who are trying to understand your rather amorphous position, rather than realizing your position makes no sense, or explaining your meaning. Now, can you tell me which of these you believe are in error?

1)Human Free Will - This states that though man is fallen, he is not incapacitated by the sinful nature and can freely choose God. His will is not restricted and enslaved by his sinful nature.

2)Conditional Election - God chose people for salvation based on his foreknowledge where God looks into the future to see who would respond to the gospel message.

3)Universal Atonement - The position that Jesus bore the sin of everyone who ever lived.

4)Resistable Grace - The teaching that the grace of God can be resisted and finally beaten so as to reject salvation in Christ.

5)Fall from Grace - The Teaching that a person can fall from grace and lose his salvation.
 
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Exercise in futility bro... he will find any way he can to weasel his way out of any label, even though he is a four point Arminian. He won't admit it because he refuses to admit he believes in conditional election, even though he rejects unconditional election. A walking contradiction, he is.
 
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Going back, this was posts by FG.

Not if the word for gift is the same. And unless you can show that one gift can be rejected, while another cannot, then your claim that the gift of eternal life rings hollow. But go ahead and try. We'll wait.
Look, if you want to argue that God's gift of eternal life can be returned, knock yourself out and preach that to whoever will listen.

Of course, I never argued that it could be returned. What I'm trying to get at is if it can be rejected. And if it can be accepted, why does he bristle when we say that it's man doing his part? Obvious, rejecting it would be man doing his part. But accepting it isn't?

Strange theology, this strain of synergism.
 
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Not conditional election. God just chooses those who believe.
 
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I bet FreeGrace2's typing accuracy has improved big time over the past month...

I already know his reply....

"You Calvinists are so disingenuous."


: )
 
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