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God keeps his promises in FreeGrace2ism too, well, except that promise to conform us into the image of Christ. That whole sanctification thing is optional I guess.
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I am a Calvinist. That's why I reject most of what you say. Anyone who "falls away" permanently was never saved, precisely because God keeps his promises.
If you look over the many posts of Calvinists, you will see that it is they who have abandoned the OP, just like what happened in my other thread, "Jesus Christ died for everyone". Seems that's the default mode when an OP can't be refuted.I've tried to stick to the OP. You abandoned our discussion. So I had to bring it back up.
So, this is a "limited definition" of a gift? I can't imagine yours. LOLReally? I'll explain it for you then.
A gift, in your apparent limited definition, is something someone gives you that you can accept or reject.
Working for free is irrelevant for this discussion. Paul was specific about being paid for work done. I thought most believers understood that.A wage is something you earn for working. However, some folks work for free. They volunteer and would reject payment for services.
I really don't care about any wage. The free gift isn't "refundable", if you think so.So if the gift can allegedly be rejected, why not also the wage?
So, what are you saying? That each of us can just make one up? Likewise, there is no "definition" of the Trinity either. So what? Make a point, please.You do realize that there's no definition of omniscience in the bible, right?
Reason for discipline? You really don't know? All parents understand discipline for their children.Really? That's the reason?
Where?Did that ages ago.
Really? I have "no idea", huh. Well, once again, thanks for the opportunity to correct the errors of Calvinists. Well, that was fun.That's a possibility. Another possibility is I've uncovered a part of your theology you have no idea how to deal with. I'm voting on the latter. Your theology allows for the possibility that AT LEAST ONE person who hates God will be in heaven. Must suck being an atheist who is forced into heaven right?
If you look over the many posts of Calvinists, you will see that it is they who have abandoned the OP, just like what happened in my other thread, "Jesus Christ died for everyone". Seems that's the default mode when an OP can't be refuted.
So, this is a "limited definition" of a gift? I can't imagine yours. LOL
Working for free is irrelevant for this discussion. Paul was specific about being paid for work done. I thought most believers understood that.
I really don't care about any wage. The free gift isn't "refundable", if you think so.
So, what are you saying? That each of us can just make one up? Likewise, there is no "definition" of the Trinity either. So what? Make a point, please.
Or, better, please define what you mean by omniscience.
I've answered that many times, so you have no excuse for wasting your time repeating these questions. But I guess you have nothing else to do. Sad.So why don't they have eternal life? Did Jesus waste his blood?
That said, apparently you are totally unfamiliar with HOW one receives it. They receive it by faith. Jn 6:40 and all the verses I gave you that you "claimed" to love. Yeah, right. Sure.Jesus did purchase eternal life for everyone. Heb 2:9 and 9:12.
Now, that's got to be one of the most "interesting" claims ever made by a Calvinist. LOLYou're the one who limits the atonement.
Prove your claim that the atonement purchased repentance. Christ's death did secure salvation (eternal life) for everyone, but no one gets it apart from faith.I believe the atonement purchased my faith and repentance, and also secured my salvation infallibly. You don't believe the atonement purchased your repentance. Why are you limiting it like that?
Reason for discipline? You really don't know? All parents understand discipline for their children.
If you aren't a parent, and your parents didn't actually "parent" you, then I understand why you ask these questions.
There is nothing in Scripture that says what Calvinism claims, such as:
#1 God chooses for salvation without unconditionally
#2 Christ died ONLY for the elect
So, why do you believe them?
I believe that because Rev 20:15 tells us WHY people are thrown into hell; for not having eternal life.FreeGrace2 I have a question:
You believe that unsaved man goes to Hell for not accepting the gift of eternal life.
Because men are born unbelievers, and faith is only way to receive eternal life.The Christian definition of Hell includes eternal torment. So why, in your theology, is man's default position Hell?
You're asking a question that I can't answer. It's all God's plan. You're going to have to ask Him. Why don't you? Maybe He'll enlighten you some.Why not just let their lives cease when they die? Why the punishment?
That's what the Bible indicates. You gots to have eternal life to live with God eternally, unless you want to argue against that. Which wouldn't be very intelligent, if you ask me.Surely you're not saying that man is to be eternally punished for not receiving a gift?
Where?
Anyway, why are you wasting time on extreme examples?
Why can't you focus on the OP that you have failed to refute?
btw, a true atheist doesn't hate God, as you are claiming. In fact, they simply say, "there is no God". See Psa 14:1 and 53:1 for proof.
Those who claim to be atheists and do hate God actually prove that they DO believe that He exists. Just how bright is it to hate what doesn't exist? Think on these things. It'll do you some good. Maybe
Christ's death did secure salvation (eternal life) for everyone, but no one gets it apart from faith.
I haven't seen much sanctification on this forum yet. In fact, the promise to conform believers to the image of His Son will be fulfilled in eternity, when we receive our resurrection bodies. I thought most believers knew that. I guess you're in the minority on that one.God keeps his promises in FreeGrace2ism too, well, except that promise to conform us into the image of Christ.
Optional as in not everyone lives a "set apart" life on earth. It's commanded, but there are rebellious children, a concept that seems foreign to Calvinists. But that only means you have no idea what "spiritual growth" even means.That whole sanctification thing is optional I guess.
Please show me an "error" that I didn't correct.It's more because you interject so many errors that refuting them takes us away from the already refuted OP.
Thanks for the opporunity to correct a Calvinist. Which I love doing.So no answer? Yeah, that's what I thought.
While I won't argue that regeneration isn't a gift, I've never seen it described that way in Scripture. Eternal life IS described as a free gift.For your info, a gift can be given and be effective even without someone receiving it. That's why regeneration is a gift.
I haven't seen much sanctification on this forum yet.
In fact, the promise to conform believers to the image of His Son will be fulfilled in eternity, when we receive our resurrection bodies. I thought most believers knew that. I guess you're in the minority on that one.
Optional as in not everyone lives a "set apart" life on earth. It's commanded, but there are rebellious children, a concept that seems foreign to Calvinists. But that only means you have no idea what "spiritual growth" even means.
I believe that because Rev 20:15 tells us WHY people are thrown into hell; for not having eternal life.
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