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Irrelevant to what Scripture says.I guess if a judge decides to pardon a criminal on death row, every other criminal who wasn't pardoned has an excuse?
Good. Seems you are beginning to catch on here.Good job, because a synergist believes that man meets God half way. Oh...
Thanks for the opportunity once again to give my actual view. Which is that no one is saved by any works, period.The arguments some guys make
sound exactly like those I have
heard from Romanist apologists
defending their false doctrine of
synergistic salvation:
We're saved by a combination of
faith and our own works.
Clearly you have no understanding of Paul's point in either Eph 2:8,9 or Rom 4:4,5.Of course. Arminianism is Roman Catholicism dressed in evening clothes. If faith is something the sinner produces, and is not a gift from God, synergism worked out consistently is a works-based salvation. Thanks be to God he is merciful enough to overlook such gross error, and to save folks despite their opposition to his sovereign, electing grace.
Irrelevant to what Scripture says.
The better question, in your example, would to know WHY the judge pardoned a criminal. That that's an answer you guys just cannot answer in your doctrine of election and limited atonement. Which is my point.
Clearly you have no understanding of Paul's point in either Eph 2:8,9 or Rom 4:4,5.
He proved that man is saved on the basis of faith, not of works or deeds.
I reject the notion that my believing can be called a work. Paul SAID otherwise. So if you have a problem with that, it's with Paul, not me.
Why didn't you answer my question, instead of play dodgeball?
Here it is again, for you:
Can and will you answer this, please?
If you look closely at Ex 9:15,16 you will understand HOW God meant that He hardened Pharoah's heart.
15For if by now I had put forth My hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, you would then have been cut off from the earth. 16But, indeed, for this reason I have allowed you to remain, in order to show you My power and in order to proclaim My name through all the earth.
iow, by keeping his sorry carcass alive longer, He was allowing Pharoah to harden further. Very simple.
But, since you still think that God caused Pharoah's hardness directly, rather than indirectly by keeping him alive, as I believe, please proceed with an answer to my question. Thanks.
There was nothing to disagree with, since you didn't refute anything.
A disagreement with my view doesn't equal a refutation.
There was nothing to disagree with, since you didn't refute anything.
A disagreement with my view doesn't equal a refutation.
Irrelevant to what Scripture says.
The better question, in your example, would to know WHY the judge pardoned a criminal. That that's an answer you guys just cannot answer in your doctrine of election and limited atonement. Which is my point.
OK, here's your refutation:Good. Seems you are beginning to catch on here.
There is no half way in my theology. God always makes the first move and He moves all the way toward man with the free gift of eternal life. All man can do is either accept the free gift or not.
Now, can you refute (I didn't say disagree with) my view, or not?
OK, if there is an actual reason, can you please provide that reason? I've never seen anyone give a reason, other than the extremely vague "for His own glory", which doesn't answer the question at all. WHY did He pick you over someone else, since there are "no conditions" according to Calvinism.
So, if no condtions, then WHAT?
We don't know, and neither do you.Sure. All you have to do is show me on what basis God chooses the chosen.
Playing word games is a favorite pastime of synergists.Did you notice that it is a suggestion? The word "maybe" would indicate that.
I didn't call anyone anything.
Because it pleased Him to do so, is all we can know for sure. There are many chosen that some of us would scratch our heads and ask, "Why him?" But God has His reasons, and what He has not revealed, we'll just have to trust Him.Anyway, please show me WHY God chose you over any other sinner. That would suffice.
Here is what I mean by "irrelevant to what Scripture says".Good point. You've considered logical consistency to be irrelevant in every discussion you've had. But hey, good on ya. Good way to get out of answering a question. Just say it's irrelevant and you're good to go.
Because it was. And you failed to answer my question to about the reason why the judge pardoned a criminal in your example. Will you answer it?guess if a judge decides to pardon a criminal on death row, every other criminal who wasn't pardoned has an excuse?
Sure it. Because we ALL agree that hell is where we ALL deserve to be. And now you've inserted a phony "underserving", which I imagine is a typo for "undeserving". When you added that, your example fanished as one.The judge pardoned the criminal because he likes to show mercy to underserving, hell-deserving worms. Is that a problem?
No he didn't. The gift always has been eternal life. Rom 6:23The reason Paul said faith isn't a work is because Paul believed faith is a gift from God. You don't. Your free willism demands you did the faith part.
My question was in regards to what God asked Pharoah in Ex 9:17, not Rom 9:17. I was clear enough in post # 181. Sorry you missed it.For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "F or this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate M y power in you, and that M y name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth." (Romans 9:17 NASB)
What question is in verse 17?
Not.No, but refuting it does. Which is what we've been doing.
My question was in regards to what God asked Pharoah in Ex 9:17, not Rom 9:17. I was clear enough in post # 181. Sorry you missed it.
My question still stands.
Thanks for the opportunity once again to give my actual view. Which is that no one is saved by any works, period.
Everyone who is saved was saved solely by God's power by grace through faith.
Here is what I mean by "irrelevant to what Scripture says".
Because it was. And you failed to answer my question to about the reason why the judge pardoned a criminal in your example. Will you answer it?
Sure it. Because we ALL agree that hell is where we ALL deserve to be. And now you've inserted a phony "underserving", which I imagine is a typo for "undeserving". When you added that, your example fanished as one.
Or maybe you actually did mean "underserving", in which case you need to define what that means to you. It sounds bogus to me.
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