Those are your assertions. They are in hell because they are sinners, not because someone else is in heaven.
i see that you misunderstand the argument. That's all I see.
You're not "seeing" very far, then. They are not assertions. They are FACTS. And your answer again just ignores the issue. I never said anyone was in hell because someone else was in heaven. This ain't no teeter totter.
Here is what said, you didn't "see" -
Your answer still proves my charge that Calvinism provides an excuse for all the hell dwellers.
God showed mercy only to the elect. That's an excuse for the hell dwellers.
God decided so same some. That's an excuse for the hell dwellers.
God dealt with the sin issue ONLY for the elect. That's an excuse for the hell dwellers.
[/QUOTE]It's not a smokescreen. It's part of my argument. [/QUOTE]
What are you arguing about? Your theology has been charged with providing an excuse for the hell dwellers. And you brought up God's "obligation" as if it was my view that things God is obligated.
Here is what you initially said:
But just because God chose to save some doesn't mean that He was obligated to do so.
Of course God isn't obligated. So your "defense" that obligation is part of your argument just doesn't wash.
They are in hell because of sin. Just because God has mercy on others doesn't negate this.
Again, you are missing the point: they are in hell because they weren't chosen is why they are in hell. And that IS their excuse. They weren't chosen, as the other sinners were.
Well, there's nothing I can say that you'll accept. Let's be honest about that.
Sure. Let's be honest. And you can start with the FACT that Calvinism provides an excuse for the hell dwellers. They are there because didn't choose those sinners. He chose other sinners. Simple as that.
There you go with your normal MO of always declaring victory.
All they have to do is believe the gospel.
How can one of the so-called "non-elect" believe the gospel, when Christ didn't die for them, and God didn't choose them for salvation? Why won't you answer this? This IS the issue.
No, that's the reason some go to heaven. The reason others go to hell is because they are unrepentant sinners.
Here is what I said:
In Calvinism the ONLY reason some sinners go to heaven and the rest go to hell is because God chose ONLY some for heaven.
So, basically, those going to heaven were because chose for ONLY them to go, while the rest didn't repent????? Are you kidding me????? Where's your Calvinism now? They ONLY reason the non-elect are unrepentant is because God NEVER regenerated them so they could, according to your own theology. So again, you keep proving my charge. They HAVE an excuse because God chose NOT to regenerate them, which would allow them to repent.
You have contradicted yourself. You admit HOW the elect get to heaven, which is by God's election. But then you say that "all they have to do is believe the gospel" ore be "repentant" and they will get in.
But HOW so, if Christ didn't die for them? You CANNOT answer that question.
And if Hod knows that someone won't believe, all of the preaching in the world won't change that.
The doctrine of election according to Calvinism is that God ultimately chooses who will believe, so your comment here is disingenuous at best.
Right, all of God's choices for both heaven and hell were decided before the foundation of the world. And BECAUSE God chose not to choose your so-called non-elect, they HAVE an excuse for being a hell dweller.
Of course I deny being a fatalist. But your theology is fatalism 101.
But you want to talk about God being omniscient on one hand, but then imply that there's something that can be done to change what God knows will happen on the other.
No I never have said that. I have said God is omniscient and knows who will and won't believe, which is different than Calvinism's claim that God chose who gets to heaven and who gets to hell without any conditions. iow, your so-called elect were born with a ticket to heaven in their hand, and the non-elect were born with a ticket to hell in their hand. Bummer.
What is correct is that since God already knows who will and won't believe, that IS in stone. But that is far different than Calvinism's claim that God chooses who will believe, regenerates the chosen ones so they can believe, and by NOT choosing the non-elect, they go straight to hell, with a HUGE excuse for being there.
But I digress. I've answered your OP. Repeatedly.
You have totally DODGED my charge to you. Calvinism DOES provide an excuse for the hell dwellers, and you won't admit it. But the truth hurts.