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Calvanist or L O S T ?

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I'd like to ask if you all believe that only Calvanists have salvation?

I lean towards it about 99%, but I'm troubled by the other scriptures & verbage that seem to show at least some hint or shred of free will/choice in the Mix somehow.

Would this cause a Calvanist to view me as unsaved?

I do attribute absolute Sovereignty to God and if it IS all His doing without one bit of my 'acceptance' of His salvation (from my own part by human will), then I'm only grateful that He elected me because I don't deserve it.

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Nadiine said:
I'd like to ask if you all believe that only Calvanists have salvation?

I lean towards it about 99%, but I'm troubled by the other scriptures & verbage that seem to show at least some hint or shred of free will/choice in the Mix somehow.

Would this cause a Calvanist to view me as unsaved?

I do attribute absolute Sovereignty to God and if it IS all His doing without one bit of my 'acceptance' of His salvation (from my own part by human will), then I'm only grateful that He elected me because I don't deserve it.

Thanks for any reply!
I wouldn't say that you must be a Calvinist to be saved but I would say that you must know God and Christ as He is revealed in the Scriptures. John 17:3 is very clear, you must know Him who is the only true God and Jesus Christ. A false God, no matter how much he resembles the true, is damning to the soul.
 
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mlqurgw said:
I wouldn't say that you must be a Calvinist to be saved but I would say that you must know God and Christ as He is revealed in the Scriptures. John 17:3 is very clear, you must know Him who is the only true God and Jesus Christ. A false God, no matter how much he resembles the true, is damning to the soul.

Ok, that's very helpful. I was a little worried there that if I was enjoying my time in the Reformed section that others might consider me "unsaved" because I'm a little shy of 100% of the Calvinist view.

But yes, I absolutely accept the clear mandates of scripture as to what God demands for salvation.

Thanks for your post
 
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Nadiine said:
I'd like to ask if you all believe that only Calvanists have salvation?

I lean towards it about 99%, but I'm troubled by the other scriptures & verbage that seem to show at least some hint or shred of free will/choice in the Mix somehow.

Would this cause a Calvanist to view me as unsaved?

I do attribute absolute Sovereignty to God and if it IS all His doing without one bit of my 'acceptance' of His salvation (from my own part by human will), then I'm only grateful that He elected me because I don't deserve it.

Thanks for any reply!

Yah, you don't have to subscribe to calvinism in order to be saved.

As long as you are trusting in Christ, and in Christ alone, for your salvation, then indeed, you are saved.

To the glory of God,

Randy
 
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I have to agree with the other posters here - I also don't believe you have to be Calvinist to be saved. Of course I'd still say you were wrong - but so long as you call Jesus savior and are depending on Him alone for salvation then I gladly call you sister!

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Behe's Boy said:
I have to agree with the other posters here - I also don't believe you have to be Calvinist to be saved. Of course I'd still say you were wrong - but so long as you call Jesus savior and are depending on Him alone for salvation then I gladly call you sister!

Dave

I'm really happy to know this! I see so much back and forth fighting about Calvanism/free will, that I had the impression that somehow Calvanists demand this particular belief in order to have the Salvation -

that you must recognize & accept that God creates you to be destined for heaven or hell.

Thanks for the replies! :holy:
 
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I should come clean here and say that I do not believe the god of freewill/works religion is the true and living God revealed in the Bible. Man has gone into the forest of his imagination a fashined an idol that fits his needs but it is still a false god. The gospel of man saving himself by exercising his freewill is no gospel at all because man will not and cannot. There are at least two things that are essential to salvation: knowledge of God as He is revealed and knowledge of self as we are in truth. A christ who wants what he cannot have and wishes for what he cannot bring to pass is not the Christ of the Scriptures. A christ who can only try to do things is not the Christ that is God. A christ that only made redemption possible by the sacrifice of himself instead of the Christ who actually obtained and accomplished redemption for somebody who are called sinners and ungodly is no savior.

Doctrine doesn't save so it doesn't matter whether you are a Calvinist or not. I know many dead Calvinists. Faith in Christ alone, without adding anything to Him, is salvation. If we add anything, no matter how small, to the work of Christ we have spoiled it and attempted to add our sin to His finished work.
 
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Nadiine said:
I'd like to ask if you all believe that only Calvanists have salvation?

I lean towards it about 99%, but I'm troubled by the other scriptures & verbage that seem to show at least some hint or shred of free will/choice in the Mix somehow.

Would this cause a Calvanist to view me as unsaved?

I do attribute absolute Sovereignty to God and if it IS all His doing without one bit of my 'acceptance' of His salvation (from my own part by human will), then I'm only grateful that He elected me because I don't deserve it.

Thanks for any reply!

I agree with the statements above. As did Calvin and Augustine (who were the great "Calvinists" of their separate times).

I agree that Arminianism is a serious theological error. Theology is important, but it does not save. The Holy Spirit changes our heart and we trust in Christ alone for salvation, even when we get lots of the points of doctrine wrong.

I was a saved Arminian for almost 18 years. I loved and trusted in Christ, but was way off base in my understanding of freewill and predestination. I came to understand these things by grace (just like I was saved). We who are blessed with this knowledge need to deal kindly and patiently with our brethren who don't yet understand these things.

We did not learn these things because we are "smart." We learned them because God blessed us with understanding at this point.

Coram Deo,
Kenith
 
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Nadiine said:
I'd like to ask if you all believe that only Calvanists have salvation?

I lean towards it about 99%, but I'm troubled by the other scriptures & verbage that seem to show at least some hint or shred of free will/choice in the Mix somehow.

Would this cause a Calvanist to view me as unsaved?

I do attribute absolute Sovereignty to God and if it IS all His doing without one bit of my 'acceptance' of His salvation (from my own part by human will), then I'm only grateful that He elected me because I don't deserve it.

Thanks for any reply!

Do only Calvinists have salvation - absolutely not. Lots of people of lots of varying theology confess Christ as Lord and Savior and, hence, are redeemed. I do believe however, that the reformed doctrine best reflects Scripture.

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Before we label or declare exactly what percentage of truth is needed we should ask, needed for what? For salvation, to get into heaven, or how much truth is needed in our walk with Christ?
In reading the book The Force of Truth by Thomas Scott(1747-1821) it is interesting to note that for many years he pastored a church, preaching every Sunday while continuing a life of sin, unrepentant. After coming to know John Newton and observing his selfless ministry to others he became convicted of his life and pursued correspondence with Newton, not to learn from him but to dispute with him and when he waived controversy the correspondence was dropped. He became progressivly hungry for truth and was an avid reader, comparing all authors to the word of God.
Studying the scriptures and praying that God would bring him to His whole truth he states "the word of God informs us that true wisdom, the saving, practical and experimental knowledge of Divine things is not to be acquired without earnest diligent seeking." He said, " My constant prayer to the Lord was to be delivered from pride and prejudice, blindness of heart, contempt of the truth, obstinacy, enthusiasm, ignorance and error; and that the Lord would give me wisdom and knowledge, guide me to the truth as it is in Jesus, open my understanding, take away the veil from my heart, and make known unto me the way of salvation which is revealed to sinners in his Holy Word."
"In the sight of God I am sensible I have abundant cause to be humbled, and ashamed of my frequent remissness, and the continual defilements of my prayers, but as surely as I believe his promises to be faithful, as surely as I believe him to be a God who hears prayer; so surely do I believe, that 'blesh and blood hath not revealed' to me the doctrines I now preach, but God himself by his Holy Spirit."

I dont believe there are many kinds of truth and/or doctrines. I believe when one truly prays and asks God to keep them in his truth that He will do exactly that. We must discern what we read, comparing it to scripture always and pray often, as the Bereans to be kept in truth. However, sound doctrine as declared in scripture does not allow for many and varied beliefs, that is man made fallacy. The truth is found on your knees and in scripture and is available from God Himself to your heart if and when you get that serious about it. We who are serious about truth know that we are in a state of learning and growth and that is the beauty of iron sharpening iron here in our discussion but still our heart must want it more that anything on earth!

Such a great and timely book!! How much error is allowed into our doctrine and accepted? I ask, when making a cake how much poison would be an acceptable amount and still be considered safe for consumption? Our doctrines must be pure, scripturally sound!
We cant decide that we believe A,B, C, and D and so we're o.k. but we must be 'always reforming' and seeking His truth!
 
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edb19 said:
Do only Calvinists have salvation - absolutely not. Lots of people of lots of varying theology confess Christ as Lord and Savior and, hence, are redeemed. I do believe however, that the reformed doctrine best reflects Scripture.

edie
Thank you for your post Edie :wave:

I think that the reformed best reflects Scripture too.
& I do believe we're chosen by God & predestined... I just entertain the thought that God knows us before we're born and knows our heart & would choose us because we would be open/or respond to Him & His truth.

But as I had said, I acknowledge His absolute Sovereignty & if He creates some to be destined for hell, then who am I to say it's unfair. He is just.
Either way, I can only thank Him for His mercy to me, a sinner.

But if I was going to spend any time in the reformed section, I thought I should at least find out if I was viewed as unsaved here.
I'd be a little hurt if I was by the majority, but I'd certainly understand.

Thanks again,:wave:
 
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But as I had said, I acknowledge His absolute Sovereignty & if He creates some to be destined for hell, then who am I to say it's unfair. He is just.
Either way, I can only thank Him for His mercy to me, a sinner,

Amen to that.



But if I was going to spend any time in the reformed section, I thought I should at least find out if I was viewed as unsaved here.
I'd be a little hurt if I was by the majority, but I'd certainly understand.

Thanks again,:wave:

There are several (that I know of) 4 point Calvinists here - even within the reformed section there are varying perspectives. The thing I like best about SR - I know that I'm not going to get beat up by any of the regular participants, one or two of the guests maybe, but not the regulars.

edie
 
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McWilliams said:
Before we label or declare exactly what percentage of truth is needed we should ask, needed for what?

How much error is allowed into our doctrine and accepted? I ask, when making a cake how much poison would be an acceptable amount and still be considered safe for consumption? Our doctrines must be pure, scripturally sound!
We cant decide that we believe A,B, C, and D and so we're o.k. but we must be 'always reforming' and seeking His truth!

Good post all the way around, I appreciate your kindness & the information there.

And that's a great analogy with the Poison in the cake...

Although,...... My husband might be inclined to think i put Lots of 'things' that don't belong into my cakes. :sick:

But seriously, I did want to find this out because I didn't want to waltz in and start hanging around your area if I was viewed as a non christian by a majority - I know how grating that would be on the nerves.
 
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There is so much to be learned by each of us and this must always be so! I have learned much from some here on SR and eagerly anticipate their posts on various topics. I've found everyone kind and willing to answer. I think sometimes they are rather reluctant to confront me when I just open my mouth to change feet! We are seeking truth, not disparity or conflict here and the exchanges are therefore beneficial! Its wonderful to hear young people here with such solid, sound doctrine! Yet, I still compare all to scripture and/or the puritans opinions, as I know they do also.
Soli deo gloria!
 
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Nadiine said:
I'd like to ask if you all believe that only Calvanists have salvation?

I lean towards it about 99%, but I'm troubled by the other scriptures & verbage that seem to show at least some hint or shred of free will/choice in the Mix somehow.

Would this cause a Calvanist to view me as unsaved?

I do attribute absolute Sovereignty to God and if it IS all His doing without one bit of my 'acceptance' of His salvation (from my own part by human will), then I'm only grateful that He elected me because I don't deserve it.

Thanks for any reply!
Romans 10:9-13 "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

God saves who he saves, its not all about doctrine, Doctrine doesn't save it is the blood of Christ that saves.
 
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TheReformist said:
Romans 10:9-13 "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

God saves who he saves, its not all about doctrine, Doctrine doesn't save it is the blood of Christ that saves.

Ok, but at the same time, you've USED DOCTRINE ITSELF AS THE SOURCE OF DEFINING THAT SALVATION.
It is BY doctrine that you make the Truth statements about Salvation.

On its face, it would seem as if your claim is in a way, self-defeating?
But I do acknowledge & understand the point that you're making by it.

I appreciate your input, thanks for the post!
 
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TheReformist said:
God saves who he saves, its not all about doctrine, Doctrine doesn't save it is the blood of Christ that saves.

Thanks for the clarifcation because that statement in its context made it sound that way (to me).

thanks for your post! :)
 
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