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Scripturally, predictive prophecy is a small fraction of all the prophetic utterances and writings.The purpose of being a prophet is to be predictive.
So the concession is God doesn't give out that spiritual gift anymore. Why is that? Does anyone know? And then did he stop giving out all the gifts or just that one? Thanks for your replies.
So, there is no new revelation from God? Why would anyone pray, seek counsel, or attpt pastoring a church, if there is no revelation from God. His mercy is new every morning He speaks and His word brings peace comfort, love, and His grave is sufficient. You would be a law unto yourself without divine revelation. Prophesy is not predictive, a guess, thought or idea. It is direction correction reproof,and illumination of and for the people of God. Why were the prophets of old stoned and rejected. Because God holds his hands out to a blind proud and unforgiving people who reject Him with their hearts and make Him a stone. Opps, that slipped out and I became angry. The Spirit of the Lord has reminded me that I do not have the right to be angry with those made in His image. I forgive you for you ignorance. His grace is sufficient.I'd say it is more about confusion over the concepts of prophet and prophecy; the modern mind tends to hear the word "prophet" and think "someone who predicts the future" or "one who has a special revelation from God"; but neither of these are the definition of a prophet in the biblical sense. In ancient Israel certain men were called by God to speak to Israel, the Hebrew word for such a person was nabi (plural: nabi'im), essentially meaning "one who speaks forth" or "spokesman", something more literally as "one who brings forth [a word]", the Greek word used to translate this is prophetes, from which we get the word "prophet", with the meaning "one who speaks on behalf of". The central ministry of the prophets was to speak God's word to Israel, to call the people back to repentance, to warn them of future judgment, or to declare God's faithfulness and promises--as the occasion necessitated. Special revelation, or fore-telling future events were entirely secondary.
The gift of prophecy, as the Apostle speaks of in, say, 1 Corinthians 12 or 14, as being granted special revelation, or predicting future events; instead it is the gift of proclaiming God's word. It would probably be more helpful for our understanding if instead of calling it the gift of prophecy (seeing as that word is charged with a particular meaning in modern English) that we spoke of the gift of speaking, or even more the gift of preaching.
We too frequently confuse prophets with seers or oracles, rather than understanding who the ancient prophets were and what they did. To that end, anyone who has been gifted to speak the word of God to the people of God has the gift of "prophecy", and we have a term for those who exercise this gift as part of their sacred ministry to and for the Church: pastors. The preaching of the Word is an intrinsic part of the pastoral ministry.
If someone claims to have special (and especially "new") revelation from God, that doesn't make them a prophet, it makes them a false prophet.
-CryptoLutheran
So, there is no new revelation from God? Why would anyone pray, seek counsel, or attpt pastoring a church, if there is no revelation from God.
Why go to church under the guidance of the pastoral ministry? To hear God's word, to receive the Sacraments, to confess our sins, hear the words of God's forgiveness.
Why pray? Because we are commanded to pray, because God hears and answers our prayer, to humble ourselves before God, to seek His mercy, to be conformed to His will.
Etc.
-CryptoLutheran
Without revelation from God, signs and wonders that come through the manifestations of the Spirit all you have is theory proved by doctrine. Assembly of the beloved is purely for edification in the faith. Faith is not what you believe it is action that pleases God. The Word of God came by those inspired by the Spirit to record what they were given and understanding comes only through the inspiration of the Spirit of God. Opinion about these things are superfluous, and lead to vanityWhy go to church under the guidance of the pastoral ministry? To hear God's word, to receive the Sacraments, to confess our sins, hear the words of God's forgiveness.
Why pray? Because we are commanded to pray, because God hears and answers our prayer, to humble ourselves before God, to seek His mercy, to be conformed to His will.
Etc.
-CryptoLutheran
Without revelation from God, signs and wonders that come through the manifestations of the Spirit all you have is theory proved by doctrine.
Assembly of the beloved is purely for edification in the faith. Faith is not what you believe it is action that pleases God.
The Word of God came by those inspired by the Spirit to record what they were given and understanding comes only through the inspiration of the Spirit of God.
Opinion about these things are superfluous, and lead to vanity
Superfluous, but my experience and yours must be differentso we do not understand each other. Why would we argue against what God by His Spirit has I.parted to us. You have a liturgical perspective I fully understand. My experience is supernatural and what is inexplicable in a logical context. Worship for me is why I exist. Expressing the heart of God is my inspiration. It is who I am. Do you know the scripture " many are called few are chosen"? If you were chosen would you know it? In one of Peters epistles he declares we are a cbosen generation...He knew his time. John in his epistles writes of Truth and Love saying you " know" the Truth you know the Love. Today our doctrines fall short of that a d are more in line with Pilot's declaration...Who can know Truth. I am beloved and I know...I am a prophet...A least of these person. A gift to the body of Christ. Let God judge,. He kinda knows, and we see through a glass darkly...superfluous
The Spirit of Prophecy is a Gift from God. So is it right to call yourself a prophet? Or should you call God the Prophet. I mean that I have no inborn ability to see the future. No time machine to do it for me. Then can I call myself prophet or is it false advertising?
I agree it is confusion, about the gifts. I love the epistles of John, check out in the three books where he wrote, " you know the Truth, you know the love",. ... But then reading your rebuttals kinda make it clear doesn't it ?I'd say it is more about confusion over the concepts of prophet and prophecy; the modern mind tends to hear the word "prophet" and think "someone who predicts the future" or "one who has a special revelation from God"; but neither of these are the definition of a prophet in the biblical sense. In ancient Israel certain men were called by God to speak to Israel, the Hebrew word for such a person was nabi (plural: nabi'im), essentially meaning "one who speaks forth" or "spokesman", something more literally as "one who brings forth [a word]", the Greek word used to translate this is prophetes, from which we get the word "prophet", with the meaning "one who speaks on behalf of". The central ministry of the prophets was to speak God's word to Israel, to call the people back to repentance, to warn them of future judgment, or to declare God's faithfulness and promises--as the occasion necessitated. Special revelation, or fore-telling future events were entirely secondary.
The gift of prophecy, as the Apostle speaks of in, say, 1 Corinthians 12 or 14, as being granted special revelation, or predicting future events; instead it is the gift of proclaiming God's word. It would probably be more helpful for our understanding if instead of calling it the gift of prophecy (seeing as that word is charged with a particular meaning in modern English) that we spoke of the gift of speaking, or even more the gift of preaching.
We too frequently confuse prophets with seers or oracles, rather than understanding who the ancient prophets were and what they did. To that end, anyone who has been gifted to speak the word of God to the people of God has the gift of "prophecy", and we have a term for those who exercise this gift as part of their sacred ministry to and for the Church: pastors. The preaching of the Word is an intrinsic part of the pastoral ministry.
If someone claims to have special (and especially "new") revelation from God, that doesn't make them a prophet, it makes them a false prophet.
-CryptoLutheran
The Spirit of Prophecy is a Gift from God. So is it right to call yourself a prophet? Or should you call God the Prophet. I mean that I have no inborn ability to see the future. No time machine to do it for me. Then can I call myself prophet or is it false advertising?
my thoughts are do God's will and it almost everyone hates ur guts, then you are a true Christian.
The charismatic gifts have NOT ended.
Also, we all are priests, prophets and kings.
Some do indeed have the extraordinary gift of prophesy.
HOWEVER, it does not follow that we should call someone with the gift a prophesy "a prophet", implying that they are a prophet in the same sense as the OT prophets.
Some do indeed have the extraordinary gift of prophesy.
I'm not doubting you, but can you name a few true prophets alive today?
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