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Cain was the seed of the devil

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The Old Testament has written:
Genesis 4:1 Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain...
But,....... Eve may already being pregnant by the devil when Adam "knew" her.

After the fall of Eve, Satan, in the guise of the serpent, approached her, and the fruit of their union was Cain, the ancestor of all the impious generations that were rebellious toward God, and rose up against Him. Cain's descent from Satan, who was the angel Samael.

The 10 Generations be4 the Noah Flood :
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The depravity of mankind, which began to show itself in the time of Enosh, had increased monstrously in the time of his grandson Jared, by reason of the FALLEN ANGELS. When the angels saw the beautiful, attractive daughters of men, they lusted after them.

Gen 6:4 there were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,
If those fallen angels could had sex with women, so did the devil who persuaded Eve in the garden of Eden.

Cain knew only too well that his blood-guiltiness on Abel would be visited upon him in the seventh generation. Thus had God decreed against him.

The end of Cain overtook him in the seventh generation of men, and it was inflicted upon him by the hand of his great-grandson Lamech. This Lamech was blind, and when he went a-hunting, he was led by his young son, who would apprise his father when game came in sight, and Lamech would then shoot at it with his bow and arrow. Once upon a time he and his son went on the chase, and the lad discerned something horned in the distance. He naturally took it to be a beast of one kind or another, and he told the blind Lamech to let his arrow fly. The aim was good, and the quarry dropped to the ground. When they came close to the victim, the lad exclaimed: "Father, thou hast killed something that resembles a human being in all respects, except it carries a horn on its forehead!" Lamech knew at once what had happened--he had killed his ancestor Cain, who had been marked by God with a horn.In despair he smote his hands together, inadvertently killing his son as he clasped them

This has been written in Old Testament :
Gen 4:23 Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man [Cain} to my wounding and a young man [his own young son] to my hurt.

Cain shall be avenged seven fold/generation , truly Lamech seventy and seven fold/generation.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj105.htm

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
 
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The Old Testament has written:
Genesis 4:1 Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain...
But,....... Eve may already being pregnant by the devil when Adam "knew" her.

Complete nonsense.
As you posted the bible in Genesis 4:1 tells us....Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived.
You seem to be telling us the bible is wrong in this instance. That is, Adam knew Eve his wife and she didn't conceive. Why do you change the bible?

Your theory never makes it off the starting block.
 
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Complete nonsense.
As you posted the bible in Genesis 4:1 tells us....Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived.
You seem to be telling us the bible is wrong in this instance. That is, Adam knew Eve his wife and she didn't conceive. Why do you change the bible?
I said Eve MAY already been pregnant when Adam knew her, as written in the sacred text.

Fallen angels had sexual intercourse with women and birthed giants.
it was not impossible.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
 
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I said Eve MAY already been pregnant when Adam knew her, as written in the sacred text.

Fallen angels had sexual intercourse with women and birthed giants.
it was not impossible.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
You said...Eve MAY already been pregnant....That's not what the bible says. It says Eve knew Adam and she conceived. In simple terms....not pregnant, knew Adam, now pregnant.

To address the second part "Fallen angels had sexual intercourse with women and birthed giants."
Should we base a whole line of theology on one verse? Does that verse allow us to be dogmatic on that position or are there other options?

...your tires are spinning in the mud.
 
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You said...Eve MAY already been pregnant....That's not what the bible says. It says Eve knew Adam and she conceived. In simple terms....not pregnant, knew Adam, now pregnant.

That happens until now that woman get pregnant and somebody else become her baby's dad. Why it cant happen with Eve ?

The Bible didnt lie either, Adam knew Eve and she conceived Cain.
who first "knew" her is another story.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
 
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That happens until now that woman get pregnant and somebody else become her baby's dad. Why it cant happen with Eve ?

The Bible didnt lie either, Adam knew Eve and she conceived Cain.
who first "knew" her is another story.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH
Right. I'm pretty familiar with the theory. Not sure what to believe about it but regardless, it won't change my trust in the two greatest commandments.
But I have to wonder it was not iterated or more strongly implied in the text, like f o r install n ce it doesn't say the serpent "knew" Eve.
 
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That happens until now that woman get pregnant and somebody else become her baby's dad. Why it cant happen with Eve ?

The Bible didnt lie either, Adam knew Eve and she conceived Cain.
who first "knew" her is another story.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Q) Why can't it happen to Eve?
A) Because the bible clearly said...."Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived."

...are you saying Adam was the serpent?
 
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If you want your Nephilim corruption in Cain's line, why not just say his wife or one of his daughter's in law was a giant?

Paternity was very important to the people of the Old Testament, it's a not a facet that would be left out without reason.
 
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Genesis 4:1 The Hebrew word ‘know’ (yada) can have a wide range of meanings depending upon the context. Also, the concept of ‘knowing’ something or someone takes on a special meaning in the semitic languages. This special meaning has to do with relationships (primarily a relationship that is based upon the marking of a covenant). This is supported by literature from the Ancient Near East. So, my main point is it all depends on context and my secondary point is that when it comes to ‘knowing’ someone it’s about making a covenant with them.
So, in context it cannot mean that Adam just knew Eve (knowing of her).
Adam was in a covenant with Eve thus, with their physically (covenant, marriage per say) relationship came Cain.
 
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Ahhh! You want to know what happened to Cain? check this out:
rough language and violent and those aren't even the best parts! :D
tulc(Henry Rollins!) :oldthumbsup:
Good film. Very black humour.
 
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