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dittomonkey911 said:
Please explain how history shows this. I am very curious.
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dittomonkey911 said:History shows that Hatred for a Candidate does not cause his opponent to win. The Opponent has to give people a Reason to vote FOR them, rather than simply against their opponent.
History is clear on this, and it will be clear on November 2nd.
Er....many voted for Bush because they hated Clinton, and he wasn't even running.dittomonkey911 said:History shows that Hatred for a Candidate does not cause his opponent to win. The Opponent has to give people a Reason to vote FOR them, rather than simply against their opponent.
History is clear on this, and it will be clear on November 2nd.
Oh I can find you just as much hatred for John Kerry around the Internet as for President Bush.Amalthea said:If there is one thing that really characterises this election is the real hatred for one of the candidates (Bush) which is something we haven't seen for a long time in a presidential election.
Jewles said:Actually, the MSNBC poll says Kerry won this 81% Kerry, Bush 16%
I cant find the fox poll, but im still looking.
Oh I can find you just as much hatred for John Kerry around the Internet as for President Bush.
Please explain how history shows this. I am very curious.
BigToe, I was about to vote for a third party until I read this:BigToe said:i'm leaning more towards actually voting for kerry instead of third party if that answers your question.
as for him hurting his base by saying he wouldn't pull out of iraq- i think everyone knows we cant just pull out of iraq. i am as opposed to this war as many are- but we are there and cant just leave them. we've made that mistake othertimes. you cant destroy a nation and leave it that way. i dont think that was gonna hurt him that much. he's made that point obvious before so any of his base already knew that anyway.
Does FoxNews.com generally have Internet polls? I don't go there very often. I usually go to CNN.comJewles said:Apparently FOX News isnt brave enough to have a poll. Oh Well.
dittomonkey911 said:Carter may be the most hated president ever, and by your logic since Reagan was too, this shows that a candidate really doesn't have to offer much. I have seen the Reagan/Carter debates, and Carter actually had a lot more good answers than Reagan. In fact, after Labor Day, Carter was leading Reagan in the polls. And Reagan came behind to win... something that has only happened twice in American history.Reagan was one of the Most Hated Presidents of all time by the Leftists, He won in Landslides both times.
So where did the term "Reagan Democrats" come from. You really need to think about what you are saying.dittomonkey911 said:Reagan was one of the Most Hated Presidents of all time by the Leftists, He won in Landslides both times.
Nixon was Hated with an undying Passion by the Left in 1972, that worked out real good for McGovern didn't it?
This principle has worked in reverse too.
Dole didn't give Conservatives a Reason to vote for him in 1996 and he lost.
Candidates for office have to give people a reason to vote for them rather than simply against their opponent.
Doctrine1st said:So where did the term "Reagan Democrats" come from. You really need to think about what you are saying.
I'm guessing you are a little young to remember. Reagan was only hated by the extreme left and people outside the US, especially in Europe. There was no concerted groundswell on the Democratic side of hatred. Even Nixon I don't think was hated like Bush. He was by 1974 but not in 1972.dittomonkey911 said:Reagan was one of the Most Hated Presidents of all time by the Leftists, He won in Landslides both times.
Nixon was Hated with an undying Passion by the Left in 1972, that worked out real good for McGovern didn't it?
This principle has worked in reverse too.
Dole didn't give Conservatives a Reason to vote for him in 1996 and he lost.
Candidates for office have to give people a reason to vote for them rather than simply against their opponent.
They used too a lot. I am puzzled why they don't.KenH said:Does FoxNews.com generally have Internet polls? I don't go there very often. I usually go to CNN.com
Not all Democrats in the 1980s were leftists. There were more than a Few Democrats who were Conservative. (Most of them from the South) Many of the Reagan Democrats didn't go back to being Democrats after Reagan.So where did the term "Reagan Democrats" come from. You really need to think about what you are saying.
Amalthea said:I'm guessing you are a little young to remember. Reagan was only hated by the extreme left and people outside the US, especially in Europe. There was no concerted groundswell on the Democratic side of hatred. Even Nixon I don't think was hated like Bush. He was by 1974 but not in 1972.
Though I do agree with you that hatred isn't going to get the other guy elected typically in a centrist democracy.
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