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<blockquote data-quote="Vedant" data-source="post: 2547783" data-attributes="member: 14661"><p>1) There was no such thing as Israel being a country until the 1900's.</p><p>2) There were relatively no jews in the Israel-Palestine area 100 years ago. The Arabs outnumbered them by 100-fold.</p><p>3) The Palestinians were the ones who were first promised autonomy over that land by Britain for helping them overturn the Ottoman Empire in WWI, before the holocaust.</p><p>4) Palestine took in more Jews fleeing the holocaust than any other country in the world.</p><p>5) The supposed God-given mandate for Jews to reclaim what was once historically Israel thousands of years ago, was contrived by Theodore Herzl about 100 years ago.</p><p>6) There was no Palestinian-Israeli conflict for ages and ages. It started maybe 80 years ago. It's a modern conflict, not a historical one.</p><p>7) Zionists convinced Britain to give the land to the Jews.</p><p>8) The first terrorists in Palestine was a Jewish organization. If you don't believe me, look up "Irgun".</p><p>9) The terrorists and political zionism eventually made Britain leave the situation and make concessions for the Jews.</p><p>10) Israel spends about 8 billion dollars on their military. For contrast, India spends about 11 Billion. Israel is about the size of New Jersey.</p><p> </p><p>These are all facts. Of course, I've probably presented them with some of my own bias, the facts stand, incontrovertibly. Zionism is Israel's version of manifest destiny. The same one that killed all the native Americans and portrayed them as evil man-killers up until recently. I see history repeating itself. It's okay to think what you want. Zionism as a state of mind is perfectly fine with me. When you start kicking people out of the land that their ancestors had inhabited for hundreds of years, by force, or by swindling legal practices, even if you think it's Biblically correct that is wrong. People who have nothing to lose don't care about killing themselves. People who have nothing to lose because it was taken away from them, are driven to do one thing...drive their irrational anger upon some generality (Jewish people) that is related to their adversity. The Palestinians now have nothing. They don't have their land, they don't have outside political backing, they don't have 8 billion dollars to spend on tanks and airplanes. They are just a lot more resilient than the native americans. They won't stand for being pushed around, and the terrorist bombings that they do is a blaring sign of it.</p><p> </p><p>One person once told me that the problem with monotheistic religions is that believing in one means that the others are false. It's either dominate or be dominated. I told him that dominating or being dominated doesn't have to involve violence. Has anyone ever thought of dominating by something else...hmmm...maybe love for instance? That's exactly what we haven't given the muslims. What does Israel expect in return? Warm smiles and happiness? BS.</p><p> </p><p>I don't know what the solution is. It certainly shouldn't be our dimwit president who harbors disdain for history, facts, and basic human logic. If he was truly trying to protect us from terrorists, maintaining the status quo in Israel and Palestine would be much better protection than supporting Israel. That is more along the lines of what every other presidency has done since Israel was created, and I'd feel much safer if Bush did the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vedant, post: 2547783, member: 14661"] 1) There was no such thing as Israel being a country until the 1900's. 2) There were relatively no jews in the Israel-Palestine area 100 years ago. The Arabs outnumbered them by 100-fold. 3) The Palestinians were the ones who were first promised autonomy over that land by Britain for helping them overturn the Ottoman Empire in WWI, before the holocaust. 4) Palestine took in more Jews fleeing the holocaust than any other country in the world. 5) The supposed God-given mandate for Jews to reclaim what was once historically Israel thousands of years ago, was contrived by Theodore Herzl about 100 years ago. 6) There was no Palestinian-Israeli conflict for ages and ages. It started maybe 80 years ago. It's a modern conflict, not a historical one. 7) Zionists convinced Britain to give the land to the Jews. 8) The first terrorists in Palestine was a Jewish organization. If you don't believe me, look up "Irgun". 9) The terrorists and political zionism eventually made Britain leave the situation and make concessions for the Jews. 10) Israel spends about 8 billion dollars on their military. For contrast, India spends about 11 Billion. Israel is about the size of New Jersey. These are all facts. Of course, I've probably presented them with some of my own bias, the facts stand, incontrovertibly. Zionism is Israel's version of manifest destiny. The same one that killed all the native Americans and portrayed them as evil man-killers up until recently. I see history repeating itself. It's okay to think what you want. Zionism as a state of mind is perfectly fine with me. When you start kicking people out of the land that their ancestors had inhabited for hundreds of years, by force, or by swindling legal practices, even if you think it's Biblically correct that is wrong. People who have nothing to lose don't care about killing themselves. People who have nothing to lose because it was taken away from them, are driven to do one thing...drive their irrational anger upon some generality (Jewish people) that is related to their adversity. The Palestinians now have nothing. They don't have their land, they don't have outside political backing, they don't have 8 billion dollars to spend on tanks and airplanes. They are just a lot more resilient than the native americans. They won't stand for being pushed around, and the terrorist bombings that they do is a blaring sign of it. One person once told me that the problem with monotheistic religions is that believing in one means that the others are false. It's either dominate or be dominated. I told him that dominating or being dominated doesn't have to involve violence. Has anyone ever thought of dominating by something else...hmmm...maybe love for instance? That's exactly what we haven't given the muslims. What does Israel expect in return? Warm smiles and happiness? BS. I don't know what the solution is. It certainly shouldn't be our dimwit president who harbors disdain for history, facts, and basic human logic. If he was truly trying to protect us from terrorists, maintaining the status quo in Israel and Palestine would be much better protection than supporting Israel. That is more along the lines of what every other presidency has done since Israel was created, and I'd feel much safer if Bush did the same. [/QUOTE]
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